Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- Subject: Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- From: Ricardo Strausz <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:54:00 -0600
On martes, octu 28, 2003, at 12:24 America/Mexico_City, petite_abeille
wrote:
On Oct 28, 2003, at 17:43, Colin Clark wrote:
Yawn. Do we really have to go through this again?
Oh, come on honey, tonight is the night... it will be fun... :)
OK, let's doit fun.
WebObjects works.
If you are willing to enter its distortion field, then yes.
If you are an experienced developer and learn how to interpret the docs
(and are suscribed to this list) it works quite smooth.
It is being maintained and updated regularly by Apple (5.2.2,
anyone?).
At Apple's whims?
Yap!
People are using WebObjects for large production applications.
Legacy?
Yap! and some few, are using also Cocoa/EOF eventhough it is not
supported.
It forms the basis for Apple's own innovative Web application
products.
By default?
Since Apple was buyed by NeXT, yes.
It's also cloaked in a lot of secrecy, is poorly advertised, and is
complicated to learn for a beginner. But it's certainly not a dying
technology.
Yep.
Unfotunely, but truth.
The key to making a decision about technology like this is to
evaluate your needs in terms of cost, support, and flexibility.
Right... such relativism, while popular in some academic circles, is
not of much concrete help...
What about spelling out some concrete reason(s) to choose WebObjects
today for a new project? What does WebObjects brings to the table
except an headache?
EOF is the oldest OO-persistent tool in the market; there had been lots
of good programmers out there using, testing and debuging it. Ease to
use (eventhough not that ease to undestand at first), quite compleate,
works with all recognized databases and now supports WebServices.
It is cost-efective: I can END an app faster than with any other tool.
I still do not understand way Apple is not supporting Cocoa/EOF...
Considering that this is an Apple hosted mailing list:
"Messieurs les Anglais, tirez les premiers!"
WebObjects is not open-source,
Which impact its quality.
May be!
Tapestry/Hibernate (or Cayenne) are. WebObjects provides a
supported, comprehensive, integrated solution for page templating,
database persistence, and deployment.
Except this ghettoization, does WebObjects provide anything else?
Direct To x, nice tool to start with.
Other solutions tend to be more of a mix-and-match, multiple vendor
solution.
They also tend to use the same set of common practices. For example,
WebObjects only pretends to be in Java, while something like Tapestry
and Hibernate are in Java.
What do you mean by pretends? EOF (and other frameworks) are PureJava.
If you take their .jar files and use them outside WO, they work as well.
These are project-specific needs that you likely know best. I think
Tapestry has gained a lot of legitimacy from its involvement with the
Jakarta project, and looks like a great tool.
No one knows for sure what the future of WebObjects is. It's clear
from attending WWDC that it is still being actively developed and the
WO team has a vision for the future. Now if they'd only tell us... ;)
For a change.
Right! Eventhough I "sign" a non-disclosure legal term, I'd never
undestud it. Some how we are limited to say: "WO is the best tool, and
it will get better"... no more details available.
If anything is dead here, it's the "Is WebObjects Dead?" discussions
that seem to have persisted for the past several years.
Is that not symptomatic of a deeper malaise?
Sure; it is a symptom of an administrative decision (seeknes?): spend
the money in getting it better, not in advertice it... the "good"
developers will do that job for free.
I remember a set, called something like "the NeXTSTEP adventage" (a
book and a video)... I think Apple should spend some mony in doing
something like that for WO and give us tons of copies of it.
If you really want to go back and read other discussions on this
matter, have a look at the Omnni list archives.
Or simply, keep in touch.
Suerte!
Dino
http://homepage.mac.com/strausz
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