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  • Subject: Fwd: Hill's book
  • From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:31:08 -0500

Hi Chuck,

Ideas for content:

Development System Setups and How To Configure
For example, you recently mentioned that you "deploy as you develop" by not using Direct Connect. It would be good to see some of the alternatives to the standard development configuration that might offer "extreme programming" style advantages..... for example, eliminate the "where are my graphics" and other common calls for help on the list from someone having worked for 6 months in Direct Connect and then tries to deploy.

Collaboration with Other Web Tools
Great to see WOLips/Eclipse and Project Wonder being included ........ please provide advice/instructions on installation/configuration tips where the open source documentation is lacking or non-existent. If you have advice on how to use, or why we should not use, some other tools such as BBEdit, DreamWeaver, etc. or advice on how a WO Programmer collaborate with or delegate effectively to a HTML/Graphic Design person on WO Component layout/graphics.


What EO's Do I Need?
Chapter 2 might benefit from an introduction section that gives advice and direction on how to go about deciding what classes, relationships and attributes they need to model. While scripting perl, PHP merged with HTML and all sorts of technologies might work well for some who like to "jump onto the keyboard and design the project from there", some of us, me included, would benefit from wisdom of seasoned OO Designers/Programmers. I get the sense that poor OO Design before you start EOModeling will make WO project painful.


In any case, better to get what material you have out sooner rather than delay the release by adding a large amount of more information ..... you can always issue a revised edition later with additional material that can be incorporated while folks are using the version 1.

Another possibility would be to get the book on the shelves and publish additional/supplementary/complenetary information/topics/chapters on a personal website ...... like those DVDs we get ......... let us have access to the "Deleted Scenes" :-) that did not make it into the release candidate.

Anyway, I look forward to the book ..... thanks for making the effort.

Regards, Kieran


____________________________________ OS X 10.3.2 / WO 5.2.2 / MySQL 4.0.16


On Jan 16, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

Hi Kieran,

Kieran Kelleher wrote:
The TOC sounds great ......... finally, some advanced literature .......... so I have just added the pre-order to my Amazon shopping cart!
Thanks! Suggestions for the later chapters are always welcome. We have a long list of candidates, no shortage of material, but more ideas are good.

Are the instructions/advice and all screenshots treated _primarily_ from a Mac OS X or Windows perspective?
We've tried to do both equally. Eclipse/WOLips is used throughout (we use Eclipse rather than PB or XCode in our day to day work) so the screenshots work for both. Installation instructions are included for both. I strongly believe in WO as a cross platform solution and we present it like that.

Chuck
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