Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
- Subject: Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
- From: Christopher Pavicich <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:17:02 -0500
Ian:
I would tend to agree with you first two paragraphs. Apple is probably
their own best customer for WO.
The moves they are making (WebServices, JBoss, etc) are pretty popular
with any big enterprise.
Could you further explain why WO won't survive if its released in the
wild? Developer apathy?
Perhaps it won't survive in the wild, in its current form. As I stated
earlier, I think that the
value of WO in the libraries themselves. As a deployment platform, it
has a fairly limited appeal.
--CMP
On Jan 16, 2004, at 18:35, Ian McDougall wrote:
I'm of the opinion that much of Apple's enterprise development is
based on
their own internal needs, and they attempt to market their internal
solutions to the public.
It sometimes feels like WO is around solely to support the iTunes music
store, and further development will be dictated by what that project
needs
(i.e. WebServices). Other than that, it really doesn't make much
sense for
Apple to sell a tool like WO, or even be in the enterprise market.
WO is like a bird with a broken wing: it won't survive if it's
released into
the wild, and it's quality of life is crap while in captivity. But at
least
it's alive.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:email@hidden]On Behalf Of Chuck Hill
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:53 PM
To: Christopher Pavicich
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Subject: Re: OT: OpenSource WebObjects...
I'll guess that hardware sales are behind the move to get Tomcat and
JBoss deployment running on OS X. The new G5 XServer looks like a
mighty cost effective J2EE app serving machine. Given the penetration
of J2EE it would make far more sense for them to market that.
Chuck
Christopher Pavicich wrote:
Good though Ian. If Apple wanted to use WO as a means of pushing some
hardware sales, wouldn't they probably market it? At least a little
bit?
--CMP
On Jan 16, 2004, at 17:10, Ian McDougall wrote:
I can think of a good reason why Apple won't open source WO.
Apple is not driven by software, it makes it's money on the
hardware. The
software is there to encourage hardware sales. This is why WO
dropped
from
a $50k price tag down to $700.
Yes, there is a windows version, but it hasn't seen any tool
updates for
more than 3 years. I'm guessing they're making the Windows
experience so
poor and antiquated that people will consider buying a Mac just to
continue
development. (then along came Eclise and WOLips which throw a
wrench
into
this plan...)
-----Original Message-----
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List:
I am a bit disappointed by the lack of actual good concrete
feedback
or debate to the ideas I posted yesterday.
So far PA had the best response of anyone. It may have been
cynical,
but reading back through past posts on the
same topic, perhaps that cynicism was warranted. I should have
done my
homework on the topic, perhaps I was
a bit naive.
If anyone does have anything constructive (positive or negative)
about
the idea, I would love to hear your ideas.
If not, if we have beaten this horse to death, I apologize for
wasting
everyone's time.
--CMP
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