Re: Any WWDC News
Re: Any WWDC News
- Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
- From: Trae Nickelson <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:47:15 -0500
Georg,
I am jealous! I think you are fortunate to find yourself in a more
receptive market than myself and some other posters. You and others
outside of the U.S. may be WebObjects best hope. Unfortunately, only 1
out of every 10 or so clients of mine have shown no interest in the
tools used to build their system. In fact, the majority of the time,
at some point usually later in the process, they ask specifically and
it becomes a large part of their decision making process. I usually do
not mention WebObjects at all, but describe a Java-based solution with
a variety of deployment options (describing WebObjects without
mentioning the name). Sometimes, it works, sometimes it doesn't. But
my main point is, mentioning WebObjects by name is NEVER an advantage.
You're okay with this?
All this talk gets absurd! In what times are you living? Software
industry is out of it's infancy. This means that religious and other
arguments are thing of the past. For the last 3 years or so I was not
asked a single time what tools & systems we use to deliver our
products. Our clients include some big shots from the banking
industry, online shops, telecom, etc. We even do credit card billing &
accounting for one of the major players here in the Netherlands.
People ask how fast we can deliver, how much it will cost, how easy is
to admin a Xserve - this sort of things.
I wish you were right about the religious aspects of the software
industry being a thing of the past. WebObjects, and the rest of us,
would be a lot better off. I don't mean to bash religion, but
sometimes the choices companies make in selecting software solutions do
seem as emotional (non-logical) as religious choices. If the mid-level
IT Manager belongs to the church of Microsoft, or the church of IBM, or
Sun and J2EE, you will never be able to sneak WebObjects in there.
With the more agnostic, open, and logical IT Manager, you have a much
better shot. But where I'm living, that's a rare bird.
Last month we got a contract with a major professional telescope
manufacturer for a complete robotic telescope software (we had already
in the past delivered solution for scheduling of robotic astronomical
observations, but now I am talking about hardware drivers,
autofocucers, adaptive optics control etc.) It is based 100% on Apple
technologies (WO, Cocoa, IOKit...). Only few years ago this would be
absolutely unthinkable - for those who never been exposed to this
market it is 80% SUN and 20% linux. But this telescope folks were just
stunned by what we can do in half year using apple technologies and
just signed without further questions.
What and awesome project! It does strike me though, that your client
and the market you mentioned were somewhat unique in that they were
already largely accustomed to UNIX and "underdog" operating systems.
Sounds like astronomers are more intelligent than some of the people
most of us deal with.
You seem like a very sensible guy. You seem to choose technology based
on its merits and not on "religion". That's why you and I chose
WebObjects.
I have a prediction... Within the next 2 or 3 years, some other
solution, outside of Apple will finally emerge that will eclipse
WebObjects. You, me, and every other non-religious technologist will
gladly move on and not look back in WebObjects' direction. Then - a
year or so after that - Apple will pull their heads out of their butts,
realize the opportunity they squandered, and futilely try to sell us on
WebObjects again. Too little, too late.
Either way, I guess we'll all be fine.
Anyway, should we move this to wo-talk?
Probably, although I think it would loose its audience - maybe that's
your point :-)
That's an Omni Group list right?
Good luck on the project!
Best regards,
Trae
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