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  • Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
  • From: Trae Nickelson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:56:39 -0500

Thanks for the frankness, Berney. I think you have provided the last straw for me. Your news is heart-breaking really.

I am assuming that you sent your thoughts after attending the 633-WebObjects Overview session, promising "an overview and roadmap for WebObjects" and "the exciting news that Apple has planned for WebObjects in the year ahead."

I am completely baffled by it all. Apple is trying to make inroads into enterprise, it owns absolutely the most mature and robust enterprise-level frameworks (WO & EO), its technology along with some aggressive marketing could easily make a joke of other web app vendors (IBM, BEA, Macromedia) - AND ITS LAYING A BIG EGG!

If you traveled all that way, and paid your admission (not cheap by any means), and still did not receive a fair, upfront indication of what the %#$@ Apple plans to do with WebObjects - you deserve a full refund. Raise a little hell while you're there. Go to the remaining WO/EO sessions and make those spineless twits "put-up or shut-up". They should at least muster up the balls to tell all of us to move on, that there is nothing more to see here, that we (the WO community) are fighting a losing battle.

I feel your pain, buddy; I know a lot of us do. This is the 4th or 5th WWDC in a row where I was just POSITIVE that Apple would prove that its head was now out of its ass and we would hear something that we are all longing to hear. I've grown numb to it now. Sad.

There is a great post to the list today from the Project Wonder folks announcing Project Wonder 2.0 . A brave and valiant effort by a bunch of really sharp minds. But I fear they are wasting their notable talents rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They should not have to be carrying the platform the way they are - Apple quite frankly has done nothing to deserve such enthusiasm or support.

Wonder Dev Team, by no means do I mean to belittle your accomplishments. Quite the contrary, I am enraged that you are providing the only real progress in the WO world. You deserve better, and I don't think you're going to get it from Apple. Let it go. Pull the plug.

I'm jumping ship. I would suggest we all consider doing the same. Let's put this thing out of its misery and move on with our lives.

Trae Nickelson
WebObjects Developer (6 years)
Houston, TX



I have to say that I walked away very depressed from today's WO
session.  In a conference where the hype is all about a beta version of
Xcode (v1.5), and a major upgrade to the toolset (v2.0) "within a
year", the fact that WO didn't say a word about the future, speaks
volumes about its future.  They couldn't even say a bug fix release was
in the works..

WO was a great tool, and still has features you can't find elsewhere,
but the Java world is moving quickly and others will get there soon.
I can't afford to get linked to a technology that stagnates or a
company that is more focused on selling a proprietary set of APIs.  Mac
OS X is the best operating system in the world, but right now I don't
see much that differentiates Cupertino from Redmond.  Both want to
"lock-in" their bread and butter.  At least that's how I read the Xcode
2.0 modeling effort.  It's not really a pre-curser to an updated EOF.

Sorry for the negativity.  This was my first WWDC and WO was the reason
I came here.  I think I'll spend some time down at the JavaOne
conference tomorrow.

Berney Bradley
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