Re: Any WWDC News
Re: Any WWDC News
- Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
- From: Karl Gretton <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:13:32 -0700
Where would you go to? As you state, most of the other stuff is crap.
I think that we are seeing significant commitment from Apple to keep WO
up to date and compatible with the latest releases of Xcode. It works
well with Xcode 1.5 today including much improved indexing and code
completion.
EOModeller will probably go away with Xcode 2.0 and WO Builder is the
only serious hole. It either needs rewriting or addons for GOlive and
Dreamweaver developing.
I think that Apple recognises the work that the Wonder team has done
and uses a lot of that stuff internally. Apple have hinted that it
might even be blessed in part in the future if they can overcome IP and
legal issues.
Personally, after returning to WO a year or so ago after wandering the
wilderness in Java for a few years (and rewrite, refactor, redesign
that accompanies that with each new release, fix, promise and app
server) WO is a welcome and refreshing place to be.
It just works and has some unbelievably strong technologies including
arguably the best OR framework and a unique Rules driven environment
for just about everything else.
Good luck wherever you land. Although I suspect we will be welcoming
you back in a year or two.
Karl
On 30-Jun-04, at 12:56 PM, Trae Nickelson wrote:
Thanks for the frankness, Berney. I think you have provided the last
straw for me. Your news is heart-breaking really.
I am assuming that you sent your thoughts after attending the
633-WebObjects Overview session, promising "an overview and roadmap
for WebObjects" and "the exciting news that Apple has planned for
WebObjects in the year ahead."
I am completely baffled by it all. Apple is trying to make inroads
into enterprise, it owns absolutely the most mature and robust
enterprise-level frameworks (WO & EO), its technology along with some
aggressive marketing could easily make a joke of other web app vendors
(IBM, BEA, Macromedia) - AND ITS LAYING A BIG EGG!
If you traveled all that way, and paid your admission (not cheap by
any means), and still did not receive a fair, upfront indication of
what the %#$@ Apple plans to do with WebObjects - you deserve a full
refund. Raise a little hell while you're there. Go to the remaining
WO/EO sessions and make those spineless twits "put-up or shut-up".
They should at least muster up the balls to tell all of us to move on,
that there is nothing more to see here, that we (the WO community) are
fighting a losing battle.
I feel your pain, buddy; I know a lot of us do. This is the 4th or
5th WWDC in a row where I was just POSITIVE that Apple would prove
that its head was now out of its ass and we would hear something that
we are all longing to hear. I've grown numb to it now. Sad.
There is a great post to the list today from the Project Wonder folks
announcing Project Wonder 2.0 . A brave and valiant effort by a bunch
of really sharp minds. But I fear they are wasting their notable
talents rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They should not have
to be carrying the platform the way they are - Apple quite frankly has
done nothing to deserve such enthusiasm or support.
Wonder Dev Team, by no means do I mean to belittle your
accomplishments. Quite the contrary, I am enraged that you are
providing the only real progress in the WO world. You deserve better,
and I don't think you're going to get it from Apple. Let it go. Pull
the plug.
I'm jumping ship. I would suggest we all consider doing the same.
Let's put this thing out of its misery and move on with our lives.
Trae Nickelson
WebObjects Developer (6 years)
Houston, TX
I have to say that I walked away very depressed from today's WO
session. In a conference where the hype is all about a beta version
of
Xcode (v1.5), and a major upgrade to the toolset (v2.0) "within a
year", the fact that WO didn't say a word about the future, speaks
volumes about its future. They couldn't even say a bug fix release
was
in the works..
WO was a great tool, and still has features you can't find elsewhere,
but the Java world is moving quickly and others will get there soon.
I can't afford to get linked to a technology that stagnates or a
company that is more focused on selling a proprietary set of APIs.
Mac
OS X is the best operating system in the world, but right now I don't
see much that differentiates Cupertino from Redmond. Both want to
"lock-in" their bread and butter. At least that's how I read the
Xcode
2.0 modeling effort. It's not really a pre-curser to an updated EOF.
Sorry for the negativity. This was my first WWDC and WO was the
reason
I came here. I think I'll spend some time down at the JavaOne
conference tomorrow.
Berney Bradley
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