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Re: Redundancy Sucks
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Re: Redundancy Sucks


  • Subject: Re: Redundancy Sucks
  • From: Jeremy Matthews <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:04:27 -0500

Ben, I feel your pain...

Hell, I'm just learning WO (because my company refuses to pay someone experienced), and I'm getting paid about 30k/year to do that AND all the other stuff on my plate, which is basically impossible...Even better, our benefits have been cut three times in the last year and the staff is threatening to unionize! Low pay, long hours, poor environment, near-nil benefits and no OT.

However, since it's Thanksgiving and all, I'm thankful for my family, my friends, Apple, help from great people in forums like this, and anything else that keeps me out of trouble. If you want the rainbow, you gotta have the rain...

Do what you like, do it well, and the money will follow.
Good luck with your search; I wish you the best!

-jeremy

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Today's Topics:

   1. Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input fields?
      (Kieran Kelleher)
   2. Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
      fields? (Chuck Hill)
   3. Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
      fields? (Kieran Kelleher)
   4. Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
      fields? (Chuck Hill)
   5. Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
      fields? (Denis Stanton)
   6. Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
      fields? (Kieran Kelleher)
   7. Redundancy sucks (Ben Ketteridge)
   8. WO, meta tags and search engines  (Clive Roberts)
   9. Re: WO, meta tags and search engines  (PA)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:10:39 -0500
From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
Subject: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input fields?
To: WebObjects (Group) <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have a page that uses WOTable to display elements from an array of
strings in WOTextFields. Now how do I approach updating the array with
the user-edited values since WOTable (like WORepetition) _displays_ the
items in my list.

Would I be on the right track if I am thinking of wrapping the WOTable
with a WOGenericContainer since it supports a formValues binding? Any
clues or direction please?

-Kieran


________________________________________________________________ Dev Config = OS X 10.3.5 / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / XCode v1.5 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 Deploy Config = OS X 10.3.5 Server / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 My Blog: http://webobjects.webhop.org/

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:28:17 -0800
From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
	fields?
To: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>,	WebObjects (Group)
	<email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I'm confused. As long as the WOTable is in a WOForm, why would you need to
do anything? WOTextField handles this for you. That's its job.



Chuck



At 04:10 PM 24/11/2004 -0500, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

I have a page that uses WOTable to display elements from an array of
strings in WOTextFields. Now how do I approach updating the array with the
user-edited values since WOTable (like WORepetition) _displays_ the items
in my list.


Would I be on the right track if I am thinking of wrapping the WOTable with
a WOGenericContainer since it supports a formValues binding? Any clues or
direction please?


-Kieran


________________________________________________________________
Dev Config = OS X 10.3.5 / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / XCode v1.5 / MySQL
4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11
Deploy Config = OS X 10.3.5 Server / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / MySQL
4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11
My Blog: http://webobjects.webhop.org/



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:50:25 -0500
From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
	fields?
To: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hi Chuck, the bindings for list and item in the WOTable bind to my
protected NSArray list (of Strings) and public String item in my
WOComponent.

I have bound the WOTextField (wrapped by the WOTable) to item. Are you
saying that if I put a setItem( anItem ) and item() attributes in my
WOComponent that setItem will be called iteratively by
takeValuesForRequest phase, hence allowing me to reconstruct the array?

-Kieran

On Nov 24, 2004, at 4:28 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

I'm confused.  As long as the WOTable is in a WOForm, why would you
need to
do anything?  WOTextField handles this for you.  That's its job.


Chuck



At 04:10 PM 24/11/2004 -0500, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

I have a page that uses WOTable to display elements from an array of
strings in WOTextFields. Now how do I approach updating the array with
the
user-edited values since WOTable (like WORepetition) _displays_ the
items
in my list.

Would I be on the right track if I am thinking of wrapping the WOTable
with
a WOGenericContainer since it supports a formValues binding? Any clues
or
direction please?

-Kieran


________________________________________________________________ Dev Config = OS X 10.3.5 / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / XCode v1.5 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 Deploy Config = OS X 10.3.5 Server / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 My Blog: http://webobjects.webhop.org/


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:58:58 -0800
From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
	fields?
To: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Yes.

At 04:50 PM 24/11/2004 -0500, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Hi Chuck, the bindings for list and item in the WOTable bind to my
protected NSArray list (of Strings) and public String item in my
WOComponent.

I have bound the WOTextField (wrapped by the WOTable) to item. Are you
saying that if I put a setItem( anItem ) and item() attributes in my
WOComponent that setItem will be called iteratively by
takeValuesForRequest phase, hence allowing me to reconstruct the array?


-Kieran

On Nov 24, 2004, at 4:28 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

I'm confused.  As long as the WOTable is in a WOForm, why would you
need to
do anything?  WOTextField handles this for you.  That's its job.


Chuck



At 04:10 PM 24/11/2004 -0500, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

I have a page that uses WOTable to display elements from an array of
strings in WOTextFields. Now how do I approach updating the array with
the
user-edited values since WOTable (like WORepetition) _displays_ the
items
in my list.


Would I be on the right track if I am thinking of wrapping the WOTable
with
a WOGenericContainer since it supports a formValues binding? Any clues
or
direction please?


-Kieran


________________________________________________________________ Dev Config = OS X 10.3.5 / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / XCode v1.5 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 Deploy Config = OS X 10.3.5 Server / Java 1.4.2_05 / WO 5.2.3 / MySQL 4.0.20 / Connector-J 3.0.11 My Blog: http://webobjects.webhop.org/


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:56:12 +1300
From: Denis Stanton <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
	fields?
To: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed


On Nov 25, 2004, at 10:50 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

Hi Chuck, the bindings for list and item in the WOTable bind to my
protected NSArray list (of Strings) and public String item in my
WOComponent.

I have bound the WOTextField (wrapped by the WOTable) to item. Are you
saying that if I put a setItem( anItem ) and item() attributes in my
WOComponent that setItem will be called iteratively by
takeValuesForRequest phase, hence allowing me to reconstruct the
array?

Yes, it's that easy. You might want to change that NSArray to an NSMutableArray though :-)


Denis



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:11:42 -0500
From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Getting the form values from WOTable with Text Input
	fields?
To: Denis Stanton <email@hidden>
Cc: WebObjects <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Thanks Chuck and Denis. Yes, it does call setItem() .. WebObjects is
absolutely more impressively elegant every day ..... those Next guys
who developed it are geniuses!

-Kieran

On Nov 24, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Denis Stanton wrote:


On Nov 25, 2004, at 10:50 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

Hi Chuck, the bindings for list and item in the WOTable bind to my
protected NSArray list (of Strings) and public String item in my
WOComponent.

I have bound the WOTextField (wrapped by the WOTable) to item. Are
you saying that if I put a setItem( anItem ) and item() attributes in
my WOComponent that setItem will be called iteratively by
takeValuesForRequest phase, hence allowing me to reconstruct the
array?

Yes, it's that easy. You might want to change that NSArray to an NSMutableArray though :-)


Denis




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:35:53 +0000
From: Ben Ketteridge <email@hidden>
Subject: Redundancy sucks
To: Apple WO Dev <email@hidden>,	WebObjects
	Developers <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Well, the axe has finally fallen upon me and 16 of my colleagues, and
so I'm in the market for work for the first time in years.

I'm a WebObjects (v 3.5 - 5.2.3) and OO senior developer and technical
leader of 6 years experience, in web applications for business process
automation. Extensive knowledge of RDBMS and OO DBMSs. Also JDBC, UML,
XML, HTML, JavaScript, C, C++, ObjectiveC, SQL, Ada and Fortran 77.
Prior experience of academic research, computer games development, and
software project management in pharmaceuticals.

Do you know of any openings for such a technical person, preferrably
permanent posts in the UK.

Thanks,
Ben

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:02:18 +0000
From: Clive Roberts <email@hidden>
Subject: WO, meta tags and search engines
To: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

traditional website developers insert html meta tags for keywords etc,
to boost rankings of websites in search engines.  Other tricks include
using standard "old fashioned" html, submitting "sitemap" pages to the
search engines, and so forth.

How does WebObjects affect such strategies?

What do people do to promote WO based sites?

regards
Clive Roberts






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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:25:11 +0100
From: PA <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: WO, meta tags and search engines
To: lists com apple <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed


On Nov 25, 2004, at 12:02, Clive Roberts wrote:

How does WebObjects affect such strategies?

First and foremost, read this:

"Common HTTP Implementation Problems"

http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/NOTE-chips-20030128/

As far as WOF goes, make sure that you have proper, persistent URLs...
in other words, don't let your toolkit "leak" into the public URL name
space...

Cheers,

PA.



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