Re: Learning Curve
Re: Learning Curve
- Subject: Re: Learning Curve
- From: Sean Warburton <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:55:25 +0000
Thanks Florijan and Micahel,
I think my biggest problem is my impatience, I get so far, have a
eureka moment and then head straight for the WO books and at that point
become daunted, mainly with the syntax and this then makes me question
if I'm just way out of my depth. I realise that using the shopping cart
job as a way to learn WO was like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut
but I do have a large personal project in mind to do and that is the
real motivation behind learning WO previous experience has taught me
that reading books is useful to a point but getting a job done usually
yields the best results, perhaps WO is just too complex for that to be
the case here.
One other option I looked at was Coldfusion, that seems to be a very
powerful yet initially simplistic development environment that also has
the ability to utilise Java for my complex tasks. Do you or anyone
have any experience of CF or know how it stacks up when compared WO.
On 12 Jan 2005, at 21:36, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote:
My opinion is that you should go with the pre-made shopping cart. I've
been programing for a while now (C, C++, ObjectiveC) and just recently
learned java and am intensively studying WebObjects. Having already
experience with C++, objective programming wasn't a problem. Java
inheritance and all is actually much simpler and more straightforward
then C++.
However, 20 weeks is a really long time, and I think you can do it.
The question is how fast of a learner you are, and how much work you
are willing to invest. If you want to do it on the side, or if you
keep having problems with Java, better to skip it I think.
I want to recommend you a book, if you really want to know Java. I've
learned C and C++ at first from books by Ivor Horton. They are fat
bastards and you write a lot of code, but of all the supposedly
"entry" level books I have seen they were the best. He also has a
Leaning Java 2 EE book out, and I think it might help you, if it is
(and i believe so) written with the same easy but in depth going
approach that was characteristic for his C and C++ books. With basic
programming knowledge I think it takes you a month to really go
through it, and afterwards you are quite capable and confident, and
only need it for reference still.
As for those tutorials I found online for beginning java, i thought
they were CRAP. Most of the time I was thinking more about how
stupidly they explained something then focusing on Java. It wasn't a
problem to understand coz of my knowledge of other languages, but i
thought it was a really lame approach for teaching beginners.
So, my honest advice is: invest those few pounds, type in all the
examples in it (min 50), and then be happy coz you know the thing.
After that think about shopping carts.
Hope this helps, enjoy java.
Best regards
Florijan Stamenkovic
I realise that it may be like asking how long is a piece of string
but I have a question that I wonder if people could help me with.
I've been contemplating learning Java and WebObjects for 12 months
now but reading this list is about as far as I seem to get. A client
of mine has asked me to quote for a small and relatively simple
e-commerce site and I'm faced with a dilemma.
I can either buy an off the shelf shopping cart or I can use the
opportunity to learn Java and WebObjects and build it myself. My
question is, is the latter feasible or would the learning curve be
far too steep. I have twenty weeks to get the site live but I have no
programming background other than a little 'tinkering' with Perl and
getting as far as loops in Java.
I've read a little on Java but have really fallen down when trying to
get my head around objects, I understand their logic in principal but
I just seem unable to get my head around inheritance and code reuse.
Any advice would be very welcome.
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