Re: Learning Curve
Re: Learning Curve
- Subject: Re: Learning Curve
- From: "Jonathan Fleming" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:27:22 +0000
I agree with Chuck here as I am one of those who has learnt the hard way
after starting out from a similar starting point to where you are at right
now.
However, you might have a jump on where I was of the time as I did not have
any Java or WebObjects Knowledge at all nor did I have any college or
University training whatsoever . I was just told that what I wanted to do
for myself was going cost a lot of money six figures (huh), require a java
developer and something like an oracle database. The best package I could
find that could do all that in an integrated environment kept coming back to
WebObject.
However, I got started, persevered and goodness know if it wasn't for the
good folk in the Apple WebObjects List I would never have come through to
the amazing ability I have learnt now. I can write Ecommerce, I can create
pretty snazzy dynamic content on the fly and much more but, it has taken me
the best part of three years to achieve this and I only consider myself an
intermediate with WebObjects, if that, yet there is so much more learning to
be had and even more beyond that.
I guarantee you though that once you have learnt the fundamentals youll be
able to start flying but it will take you some time. If I crawled through it
from where I was at, youll walk through it from where you are at. You wont
look back once youve got there though
again, guaranteed.
Jonathan :^)
From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
To: Sean Warburton <email@hidden>
CC: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Learning Curve
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:54 -0800
My advice is to not use WebObjects. With your background and a 20 week
timeline you are setting yourself up to get royally screwed. WebObjects
is a tool for professional developers and not something you can just pick
up and play with and rack out what you need. I've done a fair bit of one
on one mentoring at Global Village and I figure it takes a better than
average university Comp Sci graduate at least 12 months to get really
proficient in WO. Yes, they can do things before that but it gives you an
idea of their background and the learning curve that they face.
Once you implement your client's system using something you feel
comfortable with, go back and recreate it in WO. You will have no time
pressures and it will be an excellent learning environment with no
possibility of losing your shirt or getting sued silly. First go through
something like Bruce Eckle's Thinking in Java really thoroughly. Once you
feel comfortable with the concepts in that, then tackle WO. We'll be here
for you.
Chuck
On Jan 12, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Sean Warburton wrote:
I realise that it may be like asking how long is a piece of string but I
have a question that I wonder if people could help me with. I've been
contemplating learning Java and WebObjects for 12 months now but reading
this list is about as far as I seem to get. A client of mine has asked me
to quote for a small and relatively simple e-commerce site and I'm faced
with a dilemma.
I can either buy an off the shelf shopping cart or I can use the
opportunity to learn Java and WebObjects and build it myself. My question
is, is the latter feasible or would the learning curve be far too steep.
I have twenty weeks to get the site live but I have no programming
background other than a little 'tinkering' with Perl and getting as far
as loops in Java.
I've read a little on Java but have really fallen down when trying to get
my head around objects, I understand their logic in principal but I just
seem unable to get my head around inheritance and code reuse.
Any advice would be very welcome.
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