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Re: Learning Curve


  • Subject: Re: Learning Curve
  • From: "Jonathan Fleming" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:27:22 +0000

I agree with Chuck here as I am one of those who has learnt the hard way after starting out from a similar starting point to where you are at right now.
However, you might have a jump on where I was of the time as I did not have any Java or WebObjects Knowledge at all nor did I have any college or University training whatsoever . I was just told that what I wanted to do for myself was going cost a lot of money – six figures (huh), require a java developer and something like an oracle database. The best package I could find that could do all that in an integrated environment kept coming back to WebObject.
However, I got started, persevered and goodness know if it wasn't for the good folk in the Apple WebObjects List I would never have come through to the amazing ability I have learnt now. I can write Ecommerce, I can create pretty snazzy dynamic content on the fly and much more but, it has taken me the best part of three years to achieve this and I only consider myself an intermediate with WebObjects, if that, yet there is so much more learning to be had and even more beyond that.
I guarantee you though that once you have learnt the fundamentals you’ll be able to start flying but it will take you some time. If I crawled through it from where I was at, you’ll walk through it from where you are at. You wont look back once you’ve got there though… again, guaranteed.


Jonathan :^)


From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
To: Sean Warburton <email@hidden>
CC: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Learning Curve
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:54 -0800

My advice is to not use WebObjects. With your background and a 20 week timeline you are setting yourself up to get royally screwed. WebObjects is a tool for professional developers and not something you can just pick up and play with and rack out what you need. I've done a fair bit of one on one mentoring at Global Village and I figure it takes a better than average university Comp Sci graduate at least 12 months to get really proficient in WO. Yes, they can do things before that but it gives you an idea of their background and the learning curve that they face.

Once you implement your client's system using something you feel comfortable with, go back and recreate it in WO. You will have no time pressures and it will be an excellent learning environment with no possibility of losing your shirt or getting sued silly. First go through something like Bruce Eckle's Thinking in Java really thoroughly. Once you feel comfortable with the concepts in that, then tackle WO. We'll be here for you.

Chuck


On Jan 12, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Sean Warburton wrote:

I realise that it may be like asking how long is a piece of string but I have a question that I wonder if people could help me with. I've been contemplating learning Java and WebObjects for 12 months now but reading this list is about as far as I seem to get. A client of mine has asked me to quote for a small and relatively simple e-commerce site and I'm faced with a dilemma.

I can either buy an off the shelf shopping cart or I can use the opportunity to learn Java and WebObjects and build it myself. My question is, is the latter feasible or would the learning curve be far too steep. I have twenty weeks to get the site live but I have no programming background other than a little 'tinkering' with Perl and getting as far as loops in Java.

I've read a little on Java but have really fallen down when trying to get my head around objects, I understand their logic in principal but I just seem unable to get my head around inheritance and code reuse.

Any advice would be very welcome.

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