Re: Apple, any slight update or estimation on WO 5.3.1, Please ??

Subject: Re: Apple, any slight update or estimation on WO 5.3.1, Please ??
From: Dev WO <email@hidden>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:06:56 +0200

No problem Arturo;)
I don't think it's W3C's bad;)

OK, my bad.  Or is it the W3C's bad :-)
What a mess.
Anjo Krank wrote:
He was talking about HTML, not XHTML (HTML 2.0 for that matter!):
http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1866/88.htm
In HTML 4 nothing has changed so far:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/appendix/notes.html#h-B.2.2
but they have kinda given it up (or dont read their own spec):
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4.1
Cheers, Anjo
Am 14.09.2005 um 13:48 schrieb Arturo Pérez:
Hi Xavier,
Please refer to the proper spec in the future. Say what you mean, please. Don't talk about HTML if you really mean XHTML or XML for that matter. It really confuses the discussion.

So, you want XHTML compliance. Never saw that on the feature list. I think HTML 4.0 compliance would be more reasonable, personally.
-arturo
On Sep 14, 2005, at 4:07 AM, Dev WO wrote:
Hi Arturo, you may have misinterpreted the specification;) the & must indicate the beginning of an entity reference (like é for é) and end with a ";". everytime else it has to be escaped into "&". Here's the relevant part of the (x)html specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_12 and another "tip": http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/problems.html#amp

so yes it's a bug and it leads to a non valid (standard compliant) markup generation.
I'm a beginner in WO, but not in HTML;)
Xavier
No, that's wrong.
Any & in the URL that is NOT used to separate parameters must be escaped. IIRC, the MS toolchain screws this up like so many other things. -arturo
On Sep 13, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Dev WO wrote:
OK David, so here's the details: When you've got a direct Action, in which there are several parameter, it becomes a link like .../wa/actionName?attribute1=xparam&attribute2=yparam for example. The HTML specification says the "&" in URLs must be escaped to "&" so the HTML code for this link should be: .../wa/actionName?attribute1=xparam&attribute2=yparam and it was the case at least in 5.2.3 and earlier (I don't remember in 5.2.4).

So this thing that seems trivial and none harmful just ruined any accessibility "rating" you're application could have (the ratings are A, AA and AAA), at least above A (because it requires a valid HTML code). And the European law says that public organisations must be at least A but target AA.

On my particular side, we were able to provide most af our product as AAA and they now all fall down to A...

I'm not sure I made myself clear, let me know if I'm still "weird":)
Xavier
Hi,
what does this mean 'the & isn't escaped in Direct Action' ??? In the response from a WODirectAction's action method or where??? It would be great if you can explain me this issue a little bit more in detail. I am also sure that with such a bugreport apple would not spend a second before closing such a bugreport ;-)
regards, David
Am 13.09.2005 um 12:58 schrieb Dev WO:
Hi David, just one major issue in 5.3: the & isn't escaped in Direct Action which is a major issue (HTML conformance) as you cannot provide anything to public organisation all over Europe (at least you can only provide the lowest level of accessibility which is simple-A, but can't do double-A or triple-A accessibility as it requires HTML conformance...) It used to work correctly before 5.3 (don't remember in 5.2.4).

I also think the date used to be displayed localized when the session as a language set (at least the ones integrated in OS X).
But I'm not a WO expert, so my point my not be accurate;)
Xavier
Hi,
could you please clarify those important fixes? I would really like to know what exactly does not work.
regards, David
Am 12.09.2005 um 20:00 schrieb Nico Rossi:
Regardless of whether they have done this in the past or not, Apple needs to explain when they will fix the problems in WO 5.3. I am sure many people have decided to avoid WebObjects for projects until the fixes have been made.
Nico
On 9/9/05, Chuck Hill <email@hidden> wrote:
No, they are not allowed to.
Chuck
On Sep 8, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Nathan Walker wrote:
Can an engineer on the WO Team give any indication of a WO 5.3 update please? Just so we could plan for things. I don't see how that could hurt anything.

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  >Re: Apple, any slight update or estimation on WO 5.3.1, Please ?? (From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>)
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