Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
- Subject: Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
- From: John Larson <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:54:44 -0500
I'm sorry, Ken. Your rational perspective is no match for the Fear
of Ruby.
Tto append your comments, Ken, and to further argue my way into a
stable state of mind again, this is a technology that has been around
since the NeXT days. (this is where I get to "gloat" about going to
a college with "the largest NeXT network in the world." I even pried
a logo off a machine for posterity.) It is a terribly functional,
serious development platform that Apple probably devotes 10 man hours
a year to maintaining. Once you read the manual, you appreciate how
much it can do, and how much more functional it is than any other web
app development tool out there. That also means it is complicated
and appeals to a limited audience. Personally, even with the talk of
Ruby, I think that WebObjects' time still has not come. I don't
think that until the Script Wars get fought out will we see what will
provide the level of integration that WebObjects does. Anyone who's
written Perl, Ruby or JScript and WebObjects knows that there is
nothing like it. Scripted languages simply don't give you the same
control over the whole model with the same performance.
Though I believe it is possible that we could get stuck with the same
crappy WebBuilder interface, I hope they just don't throw WO out. If
they do, maybe it is time to breath life into Wotonomy - with Wonder
integrated . . . WonderTonomy. Sounds like a cirque de soleil act.
John
On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
Please everyone - half the problem is everyone asking if it's dead
- it's almost worse.
Here's the deal from my humble perspective:
1) Apple made a long term commitment to WebObjects when they made
it part of the toolset last year.
2) Apple uses WebObjects significantly themselves
Sure, Apple could have kept using WO internally and not made it
part of the tools, but they DID make it part of the tools. It
would be pretty ridiculous to take it OUT of the tools, but keep
using it internally, right?
Please, stop talking about it being on it's last legs...it's far
from it. It doesn't get the same presence because, quite honestly,
it's not a very 'Appleish' technology. Apple wants to sell
computers, and glitzy cocoa stuff sells computers - it's their
model, and it works for them.
James - sorry to respond to your email - this is just a general
sentiment I wanted to respond to.
Ken
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:38 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
Can anybody give us at least a thumbs up, down or sideways with
regards to our beloved WebObjects?
Someone has to know!
- James Cicenia
On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mike Nowak wrote:
I did notice this in the publicly release Xcode 2.4 release:
NOTE: As of the release of Xcode 2.4, the Cocoa Java bridge has
been deprecated. This means that,
while still supported with Xcode 2.4, future releases of Xcode
may not support the bridge or other
dependent features. Due to this, the following additional
WebObjects developer applications are also
being deprecated:
EOModeler
EOModeler Plugin
WebObjects Builder
WebServices Assistant
RuleEditor
WOALauncher
I hope this means the built-in editor in Xcode is all good now...
On Aug 7, 2006, at 3:29 PM, swdmail 2006 wrote:
Is there any updates/upgrades to WeboObjects in Xcode 3.0 ?
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