Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
- Subject: Re: A change I noticed in Xcode 2.4
- From: Niels Meersschaert <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:38:17 -0400
I agree it doesn't mean the end of WO. PHP has shipped with OS X for
years now & that didn't kill WO either. However, since WebObjects
Builder was just refreshed last WWDC and XCode began supporting
EOModeler a bit, I doubt we'll be left without a tool to use. All of
those tools could very easily become full Cocoa-tools. Since WO 5.3
when development on other platforms officially disappeared, the need
for the Cocoa-Java bridge for those tools become much less important,
since they could become platform-dependent. Not being at WWDC, I
don't know what announcements are occurring there on WO, but with the
release notes saying these are deprecated, I would expect replacement
tools to be announced this week.
On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:54 PM, John Larson wrote:
I'm sorry, Ken. Your rational perspective is no match for the Fear
of Ruby.
Tto append your comments, Ken, and to further argue my way into a
stable state of mind again, this is a technology that has been
around since the NeXT days. (this is where I get to "gloat" about
going to a college with "the largest NeXT network in the world." I
even pried a logo off a machine for posterity.) It is a terribly
functional, serious development platform that Apple probably
devotes 10 man hours a year to maintaining. Once you read the
manual, you appreciate how much it can do, and how much more
functional it is than any other web app development tool out
there. That also means it is complicated and appeals to a limited
audience. Personally, even with the talk of Ruby, I think that
WebObjects' time still has not come. I don't think that until the
Script Wars get fought out will we see what will provide the level
of integration that WebObjects does. Anyone who's written Perl,
Ruby or JScript and WebObjects knows that there is nothing like
it. Scripted languages simply don't give you the same control over
the whole model with the same performance.
Though I believe it is possible that we could get stuck with the
same crappy WebBuilder interface, I hope they just don't throw WO
out. If they do, maybe it is time to breath life into Wotonomy -
with Wonder integrated . . . WonderTonomy. Sounds like a cirque
de soleil act.
John
On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
Please everyone - half the problem is everyone asking if it's dead
- it's almost worse.
Here's the deal from my humble perspective:
1) Apple made a long term commitment to WebObjects when they made
it part of the toolset last year.
2) Apple uses WebObjects significantly themselves
Sure, Apple could have kept using WO internally and not made it
part of the tools, but they DID make it part of the tools. It
would be pretty ridiculous to take it OUT of the tools, but keep
using it internally, right?
Please, stop talking about it being on it's last legs...it's far
from it. It doesn't get the same presence because, quite
honestly, it's not a very 'Appleish' technology. Apple wants to
sell computers, and glitzy cocoa stuff sells computers - it's
their model, and it works for them.
James - sorry to respond to your email - this is just a general
sentiment I wanted to respond to.
Ken
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:38 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
Can anybody give us at least a thumbs up, down or sideways with
regards to our beloved WebObjects?
Someone has to know!
- James Cicenia
On Aug 8, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mike Nowak wrote:
I did notice this in the publicly release Xcode 2.4 release:
NOTE: As of the release of Xcode 2.4, the Cocoa Java bridge has
been deprecated. This means that,
while still supported with Xcode 2.4, future releases of Xcode
may not support the bridge or other
dependent features. Due to this, the following additional
WebObjects developer applications are also
being deprecated:
EOModeler
EOModeler Plugin
WebObjects Builder
WebServices Assistant
RuleEditor
WOALauncher
I hope this means the built-in editor in Xcode is all good now...
On Aug 7, 2006, at 3:29 PM, swdmail 2006 wrote:
Is there any updates/upgrades to WeboObjects in Xcode 3.0 ?
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