Re: Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 531
Re: Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 531
- Subject: Re: Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 531
- From: Hordur Thordarson <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:05:08 +0000
Hi,
I would just like to add that I've tried going in the other
direction, that is, going from Eclipse to XCode for WO development,
and I gave up on XCode pretty fast because it is just not a very good
java development environment.
Eclipse excels f.ex. in the following things that XCode has (last
time i checked anyway) very little or poor support for:
- Debugger: Eclipse's debugger rocks, XCode's doesn't (for Java
debugging anyway), nuff said.
- Source code browsing: Stellar in Eclipse, useless in XCode
(comparatively).
- Refactoring, source code formatting, code assist etc: Can't live
without Eclipse's support for this, XCode's again is pretty lame.
- WO support: It took me time to get used to WOLips and not having a
gui to build components but this just forced me to start using css
and other great technologies and now I probably wouldn't use a gui
even if there was one, I'm totally converted. I now hand-edit all my
html and wod files now and I love the fact that I now know how these
things work whereas when I was just using WOBuilder I really never
understood what was going on underneath.
XCode will never be a really good Java IDE because Apple is just not
very focused on Java.
Anjo, Mike and the others working on project Wonder and WOLips have
all my respect. Their support is excellent and totally free compared
with what Apple offers and it completely boggles my mind where they
find the time to do all the great stuff they do with Wonder and WOLips.
Those are my 5 cents...
Best regards,
Hörður Þ.
Lausn hugbúnaður ehf
Tel. +354-534-5005 / +354-699-1068
Web: http://www.lausn.is
On 12.8.2006, at 16:15, email@hidden wrote:
Message: 12
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:00:41 +0200
From: "Marc Oesch" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
To: email@hidden
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Hello,
We, just like you folks, are under no obligation to support open
source initiatives, we all do >so for many different reasons but with
this kind of attitude from this particular community >we certainly
will no longer even try.
While the replies' tone may sound a little grumpy [and I understand
that given years of volunteer work], the content is sound IMHO.
I welcome any blog or review (thank you Robert Walker), but requests
for enhancements or feedback will get lost somewhere in the
blogosphere if not collected.
Anjo beat me to it, here's the link to the WONDER issue / feedback
tracker again:
http://objectstyle.org/jira/browse/WOL
PS: This is none of my business, but...
Apple just lost a 300 million $ customer and Wonder just lost a large
supporter.
300 million $ in Sales ? EBIT ? Procurement in IT ? Apple IT/
WebObjects :) ?
Whatever the number applies to, if you make such a snap decision -
given the number I quoted - based on two e-mail replies on a Saturday,
I am baffled.
Maybe let's all sleep over it and look at the options and tools again.
Just my two peaceful cents...
Marc
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