Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
- Subject: Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
- From: Timmy <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:11:07 -0700
On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:48 AM, email@hidden wrote:
On Aug 12, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Also, this WYSWIG thing is totally overrated and mainly only
useful for beginners, as you see exactly nothing once your
components get a bit more complex.
Anjo, I mostly agree with you but I'd like to offer this thought:
When I first worked through Apple's WO tutorial, the dragging to
create bindings was Just So Cool that it was the carrot that kept
me going through some of the harder, more confusing parts. I kept
thinking that once I got the hang of it, building a WO app was
going to be so much *fun*. Of course it didn't take me long to
figure out that it's overrated, like you said, and not that useful
for anything complex. But I think having it available is good for
new users, and clearly there are at least some experienced users
who like it.
I'm not suggesting you run out and build this yourself, but I'd
like to encourage those who like this functionality to consider
it. Even if it only worked f or simple stuff, to be used as a
teaching tool, I think it would be beneficial.
janine
I have to 2nd this from the standpoint of someone who needed to learn
WO from "ground zero." I was actually not a java developer and I was
not a web developer. That still has me at a disadvantage to many WO
developers. And I understand that there is a steep learning curve
with WO that isn't easily addressed. WebObjects also has the "flare"
of being an Apple technology now - people want to use it to support
Apple. I have to agree with Bernard and Janine that learning to use
WO has been made less difficult because of WOBuilder. So, I do
believe that "entrance" into this arena with other tools would be
more difficult.
I've fortunately received training from two Apple engineers. I was
trained on XCode and WOBuilder. I understand the complaints about
them - but they're home. I once installed Eclipse/WOLips because I
was using Practical WebObjects as a reference. I have to say that
installing and grasping Eclipse/WOLips was very difficult since I
don't have a background in java development and packaging. I guess I
have lots of reading to do.
I also agree with a previous poster that developers embracing WO
sells Apple hardware - maybe not enough I guess. However many units
it is, less developers may embrace WO now. I am happy to see that the
WO session attracted a lot of people though.
Tim
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