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Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
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Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user


  • Subject: Re: WOProject/WOLips first impressions from an Xcode user
  • From: Ashley Aitken <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:25:56 +0800


Hello Andrew (et al.),

Thanks for your post.

On 14/08/2006, at 4:11 AM, email@hidden wrote:

of the framework and tools.  Tools like WOBuilder, EOModeler, and
other tools lead such experienced developers so far and then drop
them off a cliff.

I have to disagree with you.

And I would have to agree with you (I think ;-) since I made a typo. What I meant to say was:


"Tools like WOBuilder, EOModeler, and
other tools lead such IN-experienced developers so far and then drop
them off a cliff."

The most extreme case of this is the D2* tools. Inexperience developers can follow the script and have an industrial strength 3- tier CRUD application up and running in no time.

However, if they want to make any changes (non trivial ones) they often have no idea - there is still the learning curve to climb (right from the bottom of the mountain, eventually).

I guess it is because the abstraction is not complete with these tools (unlike, for example, compilers where we can almost completely ignore the details underneath).

As I said before, I am involved in a large sophisticated project and we use WOBuilder for all of our HTML development. It would be a stretch to claim that my enthusiasm for the tool were derived from a lack of in-depth understanding of the frameworks either. We all work in different ways.

Please don't get me wrong - I was NOT trying to imply that people who use these tools are inexperienced or lack in-depth understanding. They're great tools for experienced developers too!


I was just saying that they can give new and inexperienced users a false sense of security or competency which all-to-quickly can come crashing down.

By "inexperienced" here, I mean someone who maybe doesn't know much Java, HTML, or SQL, let alone have a good understanding of OO, OO design etc.

But there is, as I mentioned, also the dilemma in that these tools allow experienced developer to evaluate a framework more quickly, and to learn it more quickly.

And I agree we all work in different ways.

Sorry for the confusion.

Cheers,
Ashley.

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Ashley Aitken
Perth, Western Australia
mrhatken at mac dot com
Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!)



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