Re: WebObjects Foundation
Re: WebObjects Foundation
- Subject: Re: WebObjects Foundation
- From: Ian Joyner <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:11:12 +1000
Excellent. Here are my suggestions: 1) I think the first paragraph
still sounds a bit daunting and needs to be something like "simply
develop basic applications to highly-scalable, sophisticated
applications". That way you say - hey you can pick this up really
easily, which is how technologies like RoR get to be cool.
2) Something needs to be said about using it to quickly Web-enable
existing systems, ie., can build on top of existing databases (which
was pointed out as NeXT's raison-d'etre for WO not so long ago).
3) The third paragraph still sounds very Mac-specific (oh-oh, I'll
tune out now), something needs to be said about cross-platform
development and/or deployment (although I'd still like to work that
one out myself).
Ian
On 17/08/2006, at 6:24 AM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:
In a spirit of moving forward in an unorganized manner, I noticed
the first line on the first page of the WO wikibook:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects
which said:
WebObjects is a suite of Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server
frameworks and tools that helps a developer to develop
scalable, sophisticated applications for the Internet.
If we want to attract a larger community of developers, that line
begs them to stay away. It does so particularly if they, or their
boss, have any reason to avoid using Macs in the enterprise. I
know, I know... nobody has a good reason for that, but I've still
heard lots of reasons, good or not.
So I changed it to read:
WebObjects is a an integrated suite of freely available
Java frameworks and tools that helps a developer to
develop scalable, sophisticated applications for the
Internet on most computers with Java support.
It is the most mature platform available for enterprise
level web server development, providing object oriented
framework support for rdb object persistence (in any
JDBC compliant database), Ajax, Web Services,
streaming media, Java Client, Rapid Application
Development, file upload/download and many other
popular web technologies.
Originally developed by and for NeXT computers in the
mid 1990's, it was ported by Apple to Mac OS X and
Mac OS X Server under Objective C and then completely
translated to Java. It is the technology on which Apple's
own iTunes Music Store was developed.
It has a very active and helpful developer community
with mailing list support at the <WO Developer Mailing List>.
If that doesn't say it to you, feel free to change it (it is a
wiki, after all), but please keep it inviting to the developer
community at large.
Regards,
Jerry
On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Aug 16, 2006, at 12:41 AM, email@hidden wrote:
On Aug 15, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
What we don't need is for most people to sit on the sidelines
and wait around for the few to conjure up the future of
WebObjects. To get the most people involved, we need to have
the lowest barriers to participation possible.
I have been following the discussion today via my Treo, and also
thinking about the situation we are in. I have a couple of
suggestions to toss out for discussion:
Despite my assertion from yesterday that we can't form a
Foundation out of thin air, I do think we need some leadership
soon. We are already seeing people posting to the list asking
what would be useful to do and where they should put it, and
someone really should be designated to answer those questions
with some consistency. I think we need a very informal Core
Team, one that doesn't make any major decisions but just helps
keep people moving in productive directions. Perhaps Project
Managers would be a better name for it. We will eventually need
a real Core Team with elections and everything if this gets off
the ground, but IMHO that's unnecessary overhead at this point.
If people generally think this is a good idea, then maybe we
should ask for volunteers? We only need 3 or 4 people, I think,
since the task will be mostly answering procedural questions and
giving people the confidence that they can move forward on
something that will benefit the project. I am willing to be one
of the members, though it seems a bit improper to volunteer when
it was my idea. :)
:-) I will also volunteer my time.
My second suggestion is that I think we should have an area of
the wiki where people can post a description of what community
contribution they are working on. It doesn't obligate them to
produce or else, nor do they have to give a timeframe; it's just
so we can avoid duplication of effort and people can offer their
assistance if their task is already being worked on by someone
else. For example, I would post that I am going to write an
Eclipse/WOLips tutorial, with a short description of what it will
cover, so people will know it's being taken care of. If I get
busy and can't get to it, it's my responsibility to update the
Wiki and either say it's being delayed, or remove it altogether.
That is a good idea. We are most certainly lacking in direction
and organization at present. We could also list things that need
to be done and ask for volunteers to take on the task.
Thoughts? I don't want to over-burden us with process, but I
also know that if people are just milling around with no
direction, in the end very little actually gets done.
Amen.
--
Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their
overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve
specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/
practical_webobjects
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