Re: WO PR
Re: WO PR
- Subject: Re: WO PR
- From: "Jerry W. Walker" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:21:22 -0400
Hi, Grahamson,
Heh, only kidding. I'll bet that's no more your name than Jeremy is
mine. :-) Though I admit that Jeremy is one of the five names from
which my real name (Jerry) is derived.
I think your WO Wikipedia entry was very well done. Your integrity in
the WO description is refreshing. Mine was a single dimension criticism.
Notice also that I didn't change it, though a wiki would certainly
allow me to do so, but rather threw my feelings out to this community
during our period of heightened WO sensitivity.
After reading your response, I went to the "Ruby on Rails" entry in
Wikipedia for comparison and found no negative comments. I saw,
Ruby on Rails' guiding principles include "Don't repeat
yourself" (DRY) and "Convention over configuration."
without any negative corrections. Though on this list, a couple WO
developers who have tried RoR seem to think that it requires much
more repeating than a similar app in WebObjects.
Looking at yet another Wikipedia page, this one for Smalltalk, I see
an introduction that says (in total):
Smalltalk is an object-oriented, dynamically typed,
reflective programming language. It was designed
and created in part for educational use, more so for
Constructivist teaching, at Xerox PARC by Alan
Kay, Dan Ingalls, Ted Kaehler, Adele Goldberg, and
others during the 1970s, influenced by Sketchpad
and Simula. The language was generally released as
Smalltalk-80 and has been widely used since.
Smalltalk is in continuing active development, and
has gathered a loyal community of users around it.
Nowhere in that intro do I see any suggestion that Smalltalk is
basically dead as a commercial development tool, though I think that
to be true.
I think that "many early adaptors who have since switched" probably
did so more often because of the near hysterical corporate fear over
the last few years of anything Apple in their Intranet than because
Apple let the product languish (though I don't deny that Apple did
let it languish).
I guess I just feel that articles describing products so universally
eschew the negative, that even a slightly negative note stands out as
an indictment.
I wish I could defend my position more strongly, but remaining yet
ignorant of Apple's current position as announced on Thursday of
WWDC, I can only hope that a more optimistic statement could be made.
Regards,
Jerry
On Aug 23, 2006, at 1:11 PM, email@hidden wrote:
Hi Jeremy,
I wrote most of the wikipedia entry on WebObjects, including the
bit in the
intro about WO's declining position in the marketplace (see below).
We need to remember that Wikipedia is designed for entries of
encyclopedic
standard... it's most definately not a PR site for WebObjects or
anything
else!
I think the entry is as pro-WebObjects as it can possibly be
without being
biased. If anything it could actually do with a "Disadvantages"
section as
I only posted an "Advantages" section!
Regards
Graham
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:
If someone else wants to take a shot at PR, you might read the
WebObjects entry page on Wikipedia. Particularly the middle portion
of this section which, though it may be true, certainly casts no
favorable light on WO:
Originally released by NeXT Software in March 1996, WebObjects was
the world's first object-oriented Web application server. The time
and cost benefits of object-oriented development attracted major
corporations to WebObjects in the early days of e-commerce, with
clients including Disney, Dell Computer and BBC News. However,
following NeXT's merger into Apple Computer in 1997, WebObjects'
profile has languished in the marketplace. With many early adopters
having since switched to alternative technologies, Apple is itself
now the biggest client for WebObjects, relying on it to power its
Apple Store, .Mac online services and the iTunes Music Store —
WebObjects' most high-profile implementation to date.
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