Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- Subject: Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- From: David Sanchez <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:12:12 -0400
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Dustin Withers wrote:
Hello! :)
I think I got the worse time to learn WebObjects. All the
tutorials in the Apple Web Site are referring to deprecated apps
like EOModeler, and most of the books out there talk about them too.
The tools are deprecated but you can still use them. The vast
majority of information out there though still applies.
Of course they do. But for how long?
Besides, any time Apple can just stop them to work with no prior
notice. Also, it means there is no bug fixing, no support and no
updated documentation.
I do not think Apple would convert iTunes Music Store and Apple
website away from WebObjects. I do not know if there is any
indication of it. I do not think Apple will also relay on WOLips
to develop its WO solutions (iTMS+Apple Store).
From what I know Apple's in house people use Eclipse (I maybe wrong
but I don't think so)
If that's the case, then the situation is worse than I thought.
Not because Eclipse is a bad environment, but because Apple is not
drinking its own Kool-Aid.
Can someone tell me if WebObjects is dying? I think people who
signed any NDA agreement can answer that question.
Apple made a statement. They are only deprecating the tool chain
in favor of open source alternatives. They are also opening all of
their specifications to make it easier to code the open source
alternatives.
This could be a hit, if no other alternatives were present.
But, one of the things I like is an integrated environment. If I take
apart the Apple made tools (which are deprecated), old documentation
(that won't be updated), a very small developing team (even though
they might be geniuses, it is a lot of work for 4 people) and I need
to use an open source plugin with Eclipse, forums and tutorials from
third parties.... At the end, WebObject looks a lot like Cayenne/
Tapestry.
And, I won't have to pay for the Tiger Server license to deploy.
I mean, maybe WebObject is superior to Cayenne/Tapestry, I do not
know WO that well yet, but I do not see where WO is going.
I know Steve Jobs and Oracle's CEO has very good relationships and
I would hate to see that after I learn WebObjects they announce it
is dead.
I don't think WO Is going anywhere. Learning any ORM is worth
doing just to open your mind on how things work.
I mean I could spend the time learning another technology.
I've spent time learning RoR, TurboGears and WO. Everything is
worth learning for one reason or another but WO doesn't look to be
going anywhere.
That's the problem.
I love learning about technologies, but if WO is not going anywhere
(not better, not worse), sooner or later, competitors are gonna get
better tools than WO.
About the thinksecret post I found something a little
disturbing... Is it real the WebObjects team at Apple is as large
as 4 people?
I think that shows how powerful the framework is that it only
requires a small amount of people to develop some very powerful apps.
Four people is too small. Apple has about 10 thousand employees, and
10 percent of them must be programmers (about 1 thousand, maybe
less). If Apple, can only dedicate 4 people to WO, it does not look
like they believe in the technology.
Also, in the RoR web page, they state RoR will be included in Leopard.
Apple isn't releasing new tools they are just opening the specs up
and deprecating the old tools.
I think they are deprecating the only tools they provide. The other
tools, which could be better I do not know, are made by other people.
The only thing that can cross my mind is that they want to make WO an
Objective-C solution again and drop Java. I do not know if that is
even possible these days.
The thing is, as long as I love educating myself on technologies, I
do not want to get trapped again in Apple policies and dead
technologies. I still remember QuickDrawGX, just to name one
technology that Apple developed, was ahead of the others, and then
killed in favor of an open alternative (OpenGL). Not to mention
things like Hypercard/Hypertalk or even AppleWorks (who is slowly
dying).
I am not fill with pessimism, but I need a reason to believe.
David
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