Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- Subject: Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:08:20 +0100
Hi!
On 2006/08/26, at 09:12, David Sanchez wrote:
Of course they do. But for how long?
Besides, any time Apple can just stop them to work with no prior
notice. Also, it means there is no bug fixing, no support and no
updated documentation.
True, but who needs them anyway? The old tools are cool, but buggy
and clearly had many problems. Open source alternatives, like WOLips,
are better, and even apple employes use them. So, isn't it a better
thing that those 4 people can concentrate on the technology itself,
and not on the tools and specially on the Java-Cocoa bridge that
gives them a hard time on every new Java version? I honestly do think
so. And is Mike and all the other guys beyond WOLips could do what
they did with the limited info they had, imagine what they can do now
with official support from Apple, and access to the formats and
protocols used by the tools.
From what I know Apple's in house people use Eclipse (I maybe
wrong but I don't think so)
If that's the case, then the situation is worse than I thought.
Not because Eclipse is a bad environment, but because Apple is not
drinking its own Kool-Aid.
Yes it is. iTunes Store is a major business for Apple right now
(the most important one, some say). And it totally relies on WO. They
eat their own god food, yeah. And they are so cool that they let us
taste it as well! :) xCode is a very good environment for Cocoa/ObjC
developers, and that's what they are focusing in. They cannot compete
with Eclipse and other stuff for Java, because they are SO much
better. So, they wont. Why should Apple reinvent the weel?
But, one of the things I like is an integrated environment. If I
take apart the Apple made tools (which are deprecated), old
documentation (that won't be updated), a very small developing team
(even though they might be geniuses, it is a lot of work for 4
people) and I need to use an open source plugin with Eclipse,
forums and tutorials from third parties.... At the end, WebObject
looks a lot like Cayenne/Tapestry.
Not so. The documentation has been updated until the latest public
version (5.3), 5.4 is still in works. It could have some better docs
for newbies, I agree with that, but that's WAY DIFFERENT that saying
it's old and not updated. The documentation is there, and it's very
good. You just have to install Eclipse and WOLips. What's the big
deal? Many of us did so, even while xCode and the tools existed,
because we prefer Eclipse for one reason or another. We won't see a
change there.
And, I won't have to pay for the Tiger Server license to deploy.
No you don't. I have some stuff delpoyed on OS X Client. It's
legal and it works as good as in the server. All the deamons and
modules are already there - just remove some commented lines on a
startup script and let them fly.
I mean, maybe WebObject is superior to Cayenne/Tapestry, I do not
know WO that well yet, but I do not see where WO is going.
WO will live for years.
I love learning about technologies, but if WO is not going anywhere
(not better, not worse), sooner or later, competitors are gonna get
better tools than WO.
That did not happen on the last 10 years. Maybe SOMEDAY some other
technology will be better than WO. So what? On that day, learn it and
migrate. Will you learn another technology NOW just because you GUESS
that SOMEDAY it will be better than WO? Now that sounds risky to
me... a lot more than investing in WO!
Four people is too small. Apple has about 10 thousand employees,
and 10 percent of them must be programmers (about 1 thousand,
maybe less). If Apple, can only dedicate 4 people to WO, it does
not look like they believe in the technology.
I don't believe a company would base one of it's key business in a
technology they don't believe in. But that's just me...
Also, in the RoR web page, they state RoR will be included in Leopard.
Of course. As many other stuff, like perl and PHP and Python. RoR
is popular and sells. Apple wants to sell servers. So they include
RoR. Great!
I hope I can say... welcome to WO! :)
Yours
Miguel Arroz
"I felt like putting a bullet between
the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't
scr*w to save its species." -- Fight Club
Miguel Arroz
http://www.ipragma.com
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