Re: WO in Java or Objective-C (Was Re: Is WebObjects 4.5 going open source?)
Re: WO in Java or Objective-C (Was Re: Is WebObjects 4.5 going open source?)
- Subject: Re: WO in Java or Objective-C (Was Re: Is WebObjects 4.5 going open source?)
- From: Dana Kashubeck <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:31:40 -0400
- Organization: Riemer Reporting Service Inc.
On 9/5/06 2:07 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Sep 4, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Georg Tuparev wrote:
On Aug 28, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
Personally, I feel that given all the improvements (and yes there
were some steps backwards) that Apple has made to WO (especially
EOF) since WO4.5 and Java's enterprise connections (and recent
language improvements) and ability to deploy in Servlet containers
etc) that it would be best to stay with WO in Java (e.g. if
implementing a new open source WO).
I quite like Objective-C as a language. I much prefer it to Java.
That said, moving WO back to Obj-C is nothing something I would be in
favour of. There are just too many 3rd party libraries in Java.
Chuck,
And how would you react if I we take into account that:
- most of us are more productive in ObjC
Yes, I was. At least on a line by line basis. But if I need a rules
engine, or an inverted index (Lucene) functionality, or a PDF library,
chances are that I will be more productive in Java as I can just grab a
well documented library.
I admit, this is a *big* argument in favor of going toward Java and I
suspect it is one of the main reasons Apple moved everything in the
first place. It does indeed suck to have to "reinvent the wheel" in
Objective-C when there is a nice Java framework out there already.
- there are so many new cocoa technologies that we could use
(bindings, core graphics, ...)
One of the advantages of WO / Java is that it is cross platform. Now,
moving to Eclipse based tools, it is more cross platform than it was
looking recently. Tying it to Cocoa technologies would be a step
backward as a web platform. That said, I would love to see EOF back in
Obj-C for Cocoa applications!
It seems to me that this argument is going to a bit subjective. If you
work in a company that is all Mac, or very Mac friendly, then you really
don't care if WO is cross-platform. If you are a consultant or work for
a Windows/*nix-centric company, then it is a big issue. Again, makes
good business sense for Apple, is bad for a small minority of us.
- many of us have large volumes of ObjC code
I'm wondering: how many? Are there really a lot of us out there with
large Objective-C frameworks that we need to leverage in our WO apps?
It seems to me that pretty much everyone just bit the bullet and ported
to Java back in WO 4.5/5.0 days. There has been one or two posts about
WO 4.5 lately, but that's it.
I think that Georg and I must be in a very small minority. Doesn't make
our problem any smaller or my wish for an Objective-C WOF/EOF any less
fervent, just means that it ain't gonna happen unless we do it ourselves.
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Dana Kashubeck
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Riemer Reporting Service Inc.
http://www.riemer.com
Phone: 440-835-2477 x. 125
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