Re: WOBuilder in the future of WO?
Re: WOBuilder in the future of WO?
- Subject: Re: WOBuilder in the future of WO?
- From: Galen Rhodes <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:45:41 -0500
Productivity is a very subjective thing. Kind of like taste.
The big point that is coming out of all of this is that many of us
have invested a lot of time and energy becoming familiar with xcode/
WOBuilder/EOModeler and have habits and instincts that suit us just
fine, thank-you.
But now Apple is more or less pulling the rug out from underneath us
and telling us to drop everything and take the time to learn a new
way of doing things. And we're not happy about it!
When you're already working 50-60 hours a week just to meet current
deadlines it makes you angry to have someone say "just take the time
to learn Eclipse." Some times life just doesn't work that way. Not
when you have a host of other commitments outside of work.
Maybe we are a bunch of whiners but I still feel that our point is
valid.
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
I don't recall of _anyone_ every wanting to go back once they
understood enough of Eclipse (figure on a mostly productive week).
Well, maybe other than Georg.... :-P
Chuck
On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
Honestly, for me, productivity went forward by leaps and bounds
when I switched to Eclipse/WOLips. I don't know about anyone
else, but I found that debugging WO (especially with lots of
frameworks) with xcode was extremely painful, requiring lots of
recompiles and manual references. Maybe I was doing something
wrong, but in Eclipse, it 'just works'.
I'll never go back!
Ken
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Miller wrote:
Hi,
I've taken the plunge (started using Eclipse) and it is really
not that bad at all. Matter of fact the only issue that I saw
that is a real problem, is it does not out of the box compile
applications for SSDD/WAR correctly. It took someone from the
list to help me get this going. Other than that, I see no reason
to go back to XCode. Eclipse can be modified to add code
completion support for not only HTML, but CSS and JavaScript
too. So, in many ways it is a better web page design tool than
WOBuilder. Have a look at www.aptana.com
re: Who has the time? Unfortunately (fortunately?), I believe
this profession requires you to learn new things all the time and
this is just one more instance of it.
BR
Jon
I keep hearing the phrase's "once I converted my projects" and "once
I got use to Eclipse/WOLips." That's a really big problem for a lot
of us who REALLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME!
We don't have the month or more to figure out and acclimate
ourselves
to Eclipse/WOLips and painstakingly convert all of our projects and
frameworks (which I'm still fighting with). Combine this with the
fact that now I'll be editing my HTML and WOD files by hand and
we're
talking a serious loss of productivity. (and time... and money...)
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