RE: WWDC
RE: WWDC
- Subject: RE: WWDC
- From: "Bruce Fancher" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:18:17 -0400
As a typically lazy developer, one of the things I miss the most from the
Objective-C version of WebObjects was the ability to very quickly write and
refine pages with WebScript, and just sit there hitting reload until I got
the code right. Much, much faster than the
code-compile-launch-test-stop-repeat cycle of using Java. You can kinda
sorta do this using Eclipse's hot compile thing, but you can't add methods
to a class or change the method signatures of existing methods, and it
sometimes explodes for reasons that I can't fathom, especially when using it
remotely, so I don't end up using it that much. So the recent trend towards
supporting dynamic languages in the JVM is a very welcome one.
I attended a Ruby conference at Google's offices in NYC a couple of months
ago and saw a pretty impressive demo of Rails running on JRuby. Seems like
Sun is putting a lot of work into it, especially with regards to the
performance, so hopefully in the not too distant future it will be a
realistic option. Once all the kinks are worked out I imagine developing
something akin to WOGroovy for JRuby would not be terribly difficult.
Speaking of which, I've played around with WOGroovy and I was pretty
impressed with it. After a somewhat rocky start, Groovy has become
reasonably mature and WOGroovy seems to work well. It's also a relatively
small project, which is reassuring. If it was some huge messy framework I
would be worried about adopting it and then hitting a wall halfway through a
project because of some hard to track down bug, but given it's simplicity, I
think it would be fairly straightforward to track down and fix any bugs that
might've been overlooked by the developer. All in all, it seems like an
excellent and very useful framework.
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: webobjects-dev-bounces+bruce=email@hidden
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+bruce=email@hidden] On
Behalf Of Damien Petrilli
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:15 AM
To: WebObjects Dev Apple
Subject: Re: WWDC
Le 17 juin 07 à 01:02, Q a écrit :
>
> On 17/06/2007, at 8:45 AM, Simon McLean wrote:
>
>> If there is a language change in the pipeline then my money would be
>> on a Ruby version of WO - now that would be interesting.. . :-)
>
> Ruby is SLOW, and by design it is never going to be anywhere near the
> speed or scalability of java. That being the case however, with the
> JVM there is nothing stopping you from using WebObjects with JRuby,
> Jython, Groovy, etc. You just need to be prepared to write the extra
> veneer code to make them integrate smoothly.
Remember that Java wasn't fast from the beginning ?
A joke:
Do you know why Sun created Java ?
- Because they want every processors to run as slow as an UltraSparc.
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| | >WWDC (From: Don Guernsey <email@hidden>) |
| | >Re: WWDC (From: Dana Kashubeck <email@hidden>) |
| | >Re: WWDC (From: Marc Guenther <email@hidden>) |
| | >Re: WWDC (From: Simon McLean <email@hidden>) |
| | >Re: WWDC (From: Q <email@hidden>) |
| | >Re: WWDC (From: Damien Petrilli <email@hidden>) |