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Re: Eclipse Version to Download


  • Subject: Re: Eclipse Version to Download
  • From: Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:42:12 -0800

Hi Mike et al.,

Where do you get Eclipse 3.3.2 for Leopard? Link please?
What is the difference between: Eclipse IDE for Java Developers , Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers, and Eclipse Classic?
Which one most closely resembles XCode?
Can you do a mass find/replace in Eclipse like in XCode?


Thanks.

With Kind Regards,

Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca]
Chief Technology Officer,

WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc.



On 16-Nov-07, at 4:27 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

I've been running 3.3.1.1 under Leopard and WO 5.4 for a couple of weeks and have never experienced an Eclipse crash. I must not have done whatever triggers the crash.
Then you're not using the Open Type (cmd-shift-t) dialog or the Open Resource (cmd-shift-r) dialog, which really should be in every Eclipse user's workflow, so if you're getting the most out of Eclipse, it should be crashing :) . I consider this a critical path failure. For me it made Eclipse almost unusable. If you're on Leopard I would never recommend that you use anything less than 3.3.2 stream maintenance build. This is just how it goes, though. Leopard's the new kid on the block and it's obviously out-of-sync with the Eclipse release cycle.

But I wonder whether using a very early 3.3.2 version would be any more stable than 3.3.1.1.
Yes.

Moving to Eclipse from Xcode is a big enough challenge without adding potential Eclipse instability to the mix.
Given that 3.3.1.1 itself is proven to be unstable, the 3.3.2 honestly can't get any worse. I've also been on the 3.3.2 maintenance build since it came out without any noticeable issues.

Many people migrating from Xcode to Eclipse might appreciate a stable Eclipse at the expense of being able to use some of the latest WOLips features.
If you're moving from Xcode to Eclipse on Tiger, this is much less of an issue, because you can just use 3.3.1.1 -- an official build. If you're moving from Xcode to Eclipse on Leopard, it's (obviously) a slightly rougher path.

I've found the discussions of various problems with Eclipse, WOLips, Wonder, and WO 5.4 to be pretty difficult to navigate. A table such as the following might really be helpful because it seems that the stable Eclipse and WOLips versions depend on the Mac OS X, Wonder, and WO versions being used:
I agree ... I think the version story was pretty clear on Tiger (stable vs nightly), but with the introduction of Leopard into the mix along with the loss of EOGenerator, this dramatically increases the number of permutations.

Recommended Stable Versions
WO	Mac OS X	Wonder	Eclipse	WOLips
5.4	10.5		none	??	??
5.4	10.5		??	??	??
5.3	10.4		none	??	??
5.3	10.4		??	??	??

Recommended Stable Versions
WO Mac OS X Wonder Eclipse WOLips EOGenerator
5.4 10.5 latest (... within the last week or 2) 3.3.2 (unreleased) nightly JavaEOGenerator or Velocity EOGenerator
5.4 10.5 latest (... within the last week or 2) 3.2 (untested) stable JavaEOGenerator
5.3 10.5 any (latest always recommended) 3.3.2 (unreleased) nightly JavaEOGenerator or Velocity EOGenerator
5.3 10.5 any (latest always recommended) 3.2 (untested) stable JavaEOGenerator
5.3 10.4 any (latest always recommended) 3.3.1.1 nightly JavaEOGenerator, Velocity EOGenerator, or Rubicode EOGenerator
5.3 10.4 any (latest always recommended) 3.2 stable JavaEOGenerator, Velocity EOGenerator, or Rubicode EOGenerator


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