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Re: Strange WOLips importing error
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Re: Strange WOLips importing error


  • Subject: Re: Strange WOLips importing error
  • From: Georg Tuparev <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:19:32 +0200


On Nov 25, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Everything looks normal, but I'd like to know what happened. I have seen this in the past, and later discovered few files were missing.
You'd have to look in the Error Log view (not Problems View, but the Error Log view -- if you Window=>Open View=>Error Log you can get to it) and find the corresponding entry probably to get the actual stack trace to have any chance of figuring out what exactly this NPE was.

Thanks, nice to know this. The error is already gone (I had to restart Eclipse) but next time it happens I will check for the stack trace.


Did I mention how much in love I am with Eclipse? Look what a meaningful error, and look at the scroller of the text view... one could scroll half a mile to the right to discover ... well, nothing :)
Come on, Georg -- I KNOW you're not implying that WOB, EOModeler, and Xcode were bug free, right? Because that would be silly, as I don't even USE these apps and can think of several bugs in them. And when Eclipse has a bug, there's almost always a proper stack trace available somewhere in the logs vs when WOB fails and you get a one line Obj-C error message and the entire application crashes down around you. I'm not defending this particular error -- obviously it provides no context and is basically worthless. But you know what? We'll fix that bug within the next few days and you'll STILL be waiting for a bugfix for some 4 year old bug filed against WOB.

My comment was about esthetics and not about existence of bugs. One needs to have very low esthetic desires not to be intimidated by the look of Eclipse. I started using PB (now Xcode in 1991). Since that time my collection of its UI disasters is significantly shorter compared to the one I have for Eclipse.


But when you start the questions about bugs. You are absolutely correct that there are many very old Xcode & friends related bugs (my oldest reported and still opened is from 2003), and this is indeed very frustrating. Nevertheless I moved a significant body of very old C/Obj-C code (started 14 years ago) to Xcode 3 / Leo within 30 min. And I was abled to move it to GC/Properties within 2 days. I am trying to move from Tiger to Leo (using practically the same version of Eclips/WOLips) for the last 2 weeks, and still cannot produce a working (deployable) version. The same procedure when we moved to Tiger took me calling a script and a coffee while waiting to finish the compilation....

Here another one. I use the same version as you, and I use <cmd><shift>-t/r constantly. Never crashed! For you it crashes 50% of the time. Probably because around you is a bit colder, or I type slower? In our team we observe such discrepancies daily. This does not encourage my trust in the tool. These are factors we need to discuss here and at bugreport.apple.com, and I am really tired of the standard remarks, that we have to move on. I never will suggest that you or any of the Eclipse advocates move to something else, but I would also expect that you start also respecting what others have to say. Our team develops one of the largest WO projects around, and I do not feel I have no rights to have my opinion and also to communicate it. OK?

ms

-- georg --


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