Re: Bringing back the dev tools
Re: Bringing back the dev tools
- Subject: Re: Bringing back the dev tools
- From: Thomas <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:14:47 +1100
Clark,
I object to your condescending tone.
I have been using Eclipse exclusively as my WebObjects development
environment ever since Apple's announcement that it was dropping the
dev tools. While I am willing to accept that Eclipse may be a fine
JAVA development environment for PROGRAMMERS, nothing in my experience
with eclipse has convinced me that it will EVER be a more productive
WEBOBJECTS development environment for me or my clients.
I have been developing software for more than 30 years, but I don't
ever want to be a programmer. I have ten years worth of WebObjects
libraries and modules to call on in my work, mostly developed by me,
so programming is not something I have to do a lot of. The simplicity
and elegance of the Apple tools allowed me to focus exclusively on the
customer goals without getting bogged down in programming. My main
development tool used to be WO Builder. I have given Eclipse a very
solid trial, and I still believe that XCode would be a more productive
environment, in terms of functionality delivered to the customer, if
the dev tools worked.
Regards
Thomas
On 23/02/2008, at 8:15 PM, Clark Mueller wrote:
Seriously, give it up... try Eclipse for more then ten minutes at a
sitting, and you will learn to love the productivity boost it
offers. The old tools WILL actually permanently stop working one day.
Clark
On 23 Feb 08, at 1:47 AM, Thomas wrote:
Dave,
I'm interested, but I'm wondering about a few things:
- XHTML 4.0 standard html?
- WO 5.4 inline tags like <wo:string value="[whatever]"/>
- html/api-only (no wod) components?
- those bugs I used to swear at all the time, but mercifully seem
to have forgotten... like pasting a tag from one component into
another page, and all the quoted attributes disappear, like
whatever: WOKeyValueConditional {
key = "session.something";
value = "some text";
negate = true;
}
becomes
whatever: WOKeyValueConditional {
negate = true;
}
I seem to swear as much at Eclipse as I used to swear at WO
Builder, but I'd be very wary of going back to XCode now that I
have become more-or-less productive with Eclipse...
Regards
Thomas
On 23/02/2008, at 6:19 PM, David Elliott wrote:
Well, I finally did it.
If anyone is interested, both EOModeler and WebObjects Builder
from the Xcode 2.5 release can be made to work in conjunction with
Xcode 3 on Leopard. This includes the ability of WebObjects
Builder to talk with Xcode 3 so it can display the variables from
associated Java source files.
I also determined that Apple built WOJavaPBXHelper.pbplugin to
support GC mode so with a small Info.plist hack you can let Xcode
know it's okay to load it which allows you to use the web
assistant as well as click on links in backtraces.
So far I have encountered only one bug. In WebObjects Builder
closing the last open component for a given project will result in
Xcode choking and WB hanging waiting for a reply when you go to
open another component from the same project. An easy workaround
is to always leave at least one component open. If you accidently
close all of them, quitting WB before opening a new component will
fix the problem.
Anyway, I'm trying to gauge if there's any interest in this and
whether it's even worth my time to release it. So reply and let
me know if you're interested.
-Dave
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