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Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?
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Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?


  • Subject: Re: WOLips: 80 character width gutter?
  • From: Marc Guenther <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:37:52 +0100

On 23. Jan. 2008, at 2:15, Art Isbell wrote:
On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Thomas wrote:
Surely I'm not the only WOLips user who wants text wrap just like in TextEdit?
Prior to Eclipse, I don't recall ever using a source code editor that didn't support soft wrapping including vi and emacs way back in my System V Unix programming days...

Exactly. Eclipse is quite notorious for succeeding in things i would have never dreamed possible (there is so much magic in Eclipse, that I am convinced I will never be able to work with any other IDE again), while completely failing in the most trivial of categories.


When I first used Eclipse, I felt stupid, because I didn't find the setting to enable soft wrapping. I asked our local Eclipse guru (a Windows guy) and he didn't know either. In fact, I'm not sure he really understood what I wanted (soft wrapping?). That was the first time I actually considered the completely insane idea, that Eclipse really does NOT support soft wrapping. Took me several hours till I could finally believe that this is in fact the case.

Now its four years later, and Eclipse still does not have soft wrapping (and now I work at a company, which enforces a 80 character width rule, ahrg). It still does not have a working double click'n drag behaviour (although I provided working patches, well, at least it works for me now :) ). The FindPanel is so unusable that everytime I want to find/replace something, I copy the entire file into SubEtha. The editor tabs are constantly jumping around to positions where I least expect them (but they do this so reliable that at some point you get used to the fact that they are not where you expect. Isn't that ridiculous?). The CVS Synchronization view flags normal and completely harmless concurrent modifications (= the C in CVS) as red conflicts and I still haven't figured out how I am supposed to fix the REAL conflicts in the Compare view (I'm using CVL and FileMerge for that).

Back then, one of our developers refused to use Eclipse, cause he couldn't select a method name, and then Cmd-E Cmd-G to its declaration (probably opening lots of promising looking files in the process). That was what he was used to use. While I would certainly like to have Cmd-E functionality in Eclipse (and a FindPanel which remembers what I typed into it), I prefer to simply press F3 to go to the declaration of a method. Or Ctrl-Alt-H to find from where its called. Or whatever...

I remember a full build used to take almost half an hour with ProjectBuilder. In Eclipse, it took 4mins, and then, when do you ever need to do a full build in Eclipse? It was quite common for a developer to break the nightly build, cause she committed a low level change which wouldn't compile in a dependant framework. Which meant half an hour coffee break for everyone the next morning.

In Eclipse, everything is always built. No manual builts, no missed compilation warnings, all dependencies magically taken care of. I am now so used to this, I wonder how any IDE could be taken seriously which doesn't provide that kind of build integration. Yet at the time, it was revolutionary. So revolutionary, that most in our team didn't understand it, and stuck with their, ah, this is so ugly, its one huge window, it doesn't do everything 120% as I'm used to do it, how can you stand this thing, whining.

I wonder what will happen to me if I ever have to use Xcode again :-)

Marc

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