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Re: Better start with Wonder than WO
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Re: Better start with Wonder than WO


  • Subject: Re: Better start with Wonder than WO
  • From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:28:23 -0700

Like, for example, you are using WebObjects? :-P Seriously, Pierre, take a look at Wonder now. It is not like it was a couple of years ago. Thanks to Anjo, it long longer sleeps with your cattle and steals your wife. It does what you tell it to, nothing more. And, yes, if you tell it to, it will patch _bugs_ in WebObjects.

Without it you have (a) deadlocking D2W and (b) no locking for anything other than the session.defaultEditingContext(). That latter alone is worth using Wonder, for all but the most trivial applications.

It's not the old Wonder.  True fact.


Chuck


On Mar 20, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Mr. Pierre Frisch wrote:

I would totally disagree with that. Wonder introduce another layer of complexity and patching on top of WO. I think you should only use Wonder if you have a good reason for it.

Pierre
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On Mar 20, 2008, at 11:56, David LeBer wrote:

On 20-Mar-08, at 2:45 PM, Gustavo Pizano wrote:

aha ok...
This is what I decided something what I posted in a previous thread. I will develop my Software Engineering class final project in parallel with WO, so at the end I will show the teacher what are the differences between EO, Hibernate and WO. SO ok I will start doing it in wonder. SO be prepare for a lot of questions I already have in my mind, hehe, but of course I will make some tutorial first, I will watch again the screen-cast :P. if for some reason I see I can't achive the goal I will go to normal WO development.. hopefully i will not do that.


well what do you think?

Building on top of Wonder needn't impact your development at all unless you want it to.


You will benefit without even knowing it.

However, there is the danger that you could get so caught up investigating all of the cool toys in Wonder that you didn't get any real work done. :-) But then that's not Wonder's fault now is it.

On Mar 20, 2008, at 1:26 PM, David LeBer wrote:

On 20-Mar-08, at 2:15 PM, Gustavo Pizano wrote:

Im just "wondering" what's better for me, you know guys im really newbie. To keep learning concepts of WO or learn them and develop in Wonder?

For a new WO developer, I think there are amazing benefits for starting with Wonder.


Is wonder big? Yes.

Is it hard to fully understand? Definitely.

Do you need to understand all of it to benefit from it? Absolutely not.

If you:

1. Use the WOLips WOnder Application template
2. Generate your EOs with the WonderEntity.java/ _WonderEntity.java templates
3. Always user ERXEC.newEditingContext() to obtain a new EOEditingContext


You will benefit from a ton of bug fixes and helpful code that fix things that are hard to fix otherwise without having to change much else.

Let the debate commence :-)

;david

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