Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
- Subject: Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
- From: William Hatch <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:35:14 -0400
Pascal, if it's not too late, I'd propose a few more:
- Do you consider WO primarily as an application server, or as a
development framework?
- Do you find resistance to WebObjects framed as an implementation
issue, a resource issue, or both?
I add these because my perception is we're collectively making life
even more difficult on ourselves by embracing the two deployment
options: really bad servlet out of the box, or Monitor and wotaskd,
which really undermines what I would consider the primary strength of
WebObjects - that as a development framework. If Apple didn't have to
put resources into supporting WO as an app server, perhaps we'd get
more out of the framework, and seriously, there's very strong
arguments from a management perspective (both IT and business) against
even deploying WebObjects right now, for larger organizations anyway,
and in the case when you have a growing business that absolutely needs
to consider things like "how easy is it for us to find people that can
develop using this and support the deployment against the much larger
pool of talent using much more established technologies" type
questions. Besides higher ed, not for profits, and single one off
apps, WO has a market share on par with Apples market share for
personal computers circa 1996, if it's even that good. We can kick and
scream all we want about pointy haired managers, etc, but it doesn't
change reality. Besides, it's not just the managers, it's pretty much
every other interaction point in the rest of the world; developers, IT
people. They feel the same way about using, managing wo as most of us
would if we had to use struts and hibernate, except the numbers are in
their favor. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear other peoples
perceptions along these lines. This isn't meant to start some silly
argument about how bad tomcat is, or how great Monitor is; in reality,
neither is relevant.
On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Ok people, enough is enough... We already have a hard time building
a real community, if we fight each other, it's getting worse.
I'm going to create a survey on SurveyMonkey to collect information
about the point of view on Apple from the community.
The questions that will asked :
- Are you a ADC Select or Premium member ?
- Do you go to WWDC each year ?
- Does the lack of a public roadmap is making you loose customers ?
- Does the fact that WebObjects is not open source is making you
loose customers ?
- Are you buying Apple hardware because of WO ?
- If WebObjects become open source, will you contribute to the
source ?
- If you stop using WO, does Apple will loose hardware sales ?
- Open comments
If you think other questions should be added, please send them to me
OFF-LIST.
You read every single post on this mailing list?
You never skip any threads?
So rather than playing topic cop, why don't you just avoid reading
these messages if you find them irrelevant?
Or is it that you don't like collective action?
JPM
Le 4 oct. 07 à 04:16, email@hidden a
écrit :
Read Apple's Lips: Not Going To Happen. Period. If that means we
have to lose you to .NET, then get going and stop posting.
This topic has been discussed to death. There are some good reasons
why it isn't going to happen and your posting the 10,000th post
about
it isn't going to change that.
Please, everyone, let's get back to WebObjects ==>DEV<== topics.
Alex
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