Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
- Subject: Re: Please Opensource WebObjects
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
Late? You're about one year late :-P But you're not too late for the survey I will create in November as a follow-up of the one from last year, so I will add your questions into the 2008 survey.
> Pascal, if it's not too late, I'd propose a few more:
>
> - Do you consider WO primarily as an application server, or as a
> development framework?
> - Do you find resistance to WebObjects framed as an implementation
> issue, a resource issue, or both?
>
> I add these because my perception is we're collectively making life
> even more difficult on ourselves by embracing the two deployment
> options: really bad servlet out of the box, or Monitor and wotaskd,
> which really undermines what I would consider the primary strength of
>
> WebObjects - that as a development framework. If Apple didn't have to
>
> put resources into supporting WO as an app server, perhaps we'd get
> more out of the framework, and seriously, there's very strong
> arguments from a management perspective (both IT and business) against
>
> even deploying WebObjects right now, for larger organizations anyway,
>
> and in the case when you have a growing business that absolutely needs
>
> to consider things like "how easy is it for us to find people that can
>
> develop using this and support the deployment against the much larger
>
> pool of talent using much more established technologies" type
> questions. Besides higher ed, not for profits, and single one off
> apps, WO has a market share on par with Apples market share for
> personal computers circa 1996, if it's even that good. We can kick and
>
> scream all we want about pointy haired managers, etc, but it doesn't
>
> change reality. Besides, it's not just the managers, it's pretty much
>
> every other interaction point in the rest of the world; developers, IT
>
> people. They feel the same way about using, managing wo as most of us
>
> would if we had to use struts and hibernate, except the numbers are in
>
> their favor. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear other peoples
> perceptions along these lines. This isn't meant to start some silly
> argument about how bad tomcat is, or how great Monitor is; in reality,
>
> neither is relevant.
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>
> > Ok people, enough is enough... We already have a hard time building
>
> > a real community, if we fight each other, it's getting worse.
> >
> > I'm going to create a survey on SurveyMonkey to collect information
>
> > about the point of view on Apple from the community.
> >
> > The questions that will asked :
> >
> > - Are you a ADC Select or Premium member ?
> >
> > - Do you go to WWDC each year ?
> >
> > - Does the lack of a public roadmap is making you loose customers ?
> >
> > - Does the fact that WebObjects is not open source is making you
> > loose customers ?
> >
> > - Are you buying Apple hardware because of WO ?
> >
> > - If WebObjects become open source, will you contribute to the
> > source ?
> >
> > - If you stop using WO, does Apple will loose hardware sales ?
> >
> > - Open comments
> >
> > If you think other questions should be added, please send them to me
>
> > OFF-LIST.
> >
> >> You read every single post on this mailing list?
> >> You never skip any threads?
> >> So rather than playing topic cop, why don't you just avoid reading
>
> >> these messages if you find them irrelevant?
> >> Or is it that you don't like collective action?
> >>
> >> JPM
> >>
> >> Le 4 oct. 07 à 04:16, email@hidden a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>> Read Apple's Lips: Not Going To Happen. Period. If that means
> we
> >>> have to lose you to .NET, then get going and stop posting.
> >>>
> >>> This topic has been discussed to death. There are some good
> reasons
> >>> why it isn't going to happen and your posting the 10,000th post
> >>> about
> >>> it isn't going to change that.
> >>>
> >>> Please, everyone, let's get back to WebObjects ==>DEV<== topics.
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >
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