Re: maven.
Re: maven.
- Subject: Re: maven.
- From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:43:57 -0400
That all depends on what you mean by out of the box. Both build
systems rely on WebObjects being installed.
Beyond that what out of the box are you referring to?
I consider WOLips the product I deliver, so I mean WOLips out-of-the-
box.
Even now on the mailing list there's constant questions about how do
achieve things with the current build process. I'm not suggesting
this is your fault, but it's not all plain sailing 'tis all I'm
saying.
SSDD/War builds, sucky (but admittedly essentially never touched) ...
Inter-project build dependencies, sucky. #1 I'm guessing Maven
doesn't have much to offer without custom coding, either, though, #2
almost certainly Maven addresses. I'm not sure what other "constant
questions" there are. And I do take the blame for anything that sucks
that I touched :)
Creating a simple project is easy in both systems is my suggestion.
Adding project dependencies IMHO is easier with maven.
Granted, the onus is on us to do better with the wiki.
IMO, the simple project is not as simple for WO people to use Maven.
Not that it can't be, but it just isn't now.
I want people to launch WOLips and things just work.
Sure. The reason why this doesn't currently work out of the box for
maven-based apps is to do with WO's need for bundles. We (the maven
dudes) are already talking through this. Should be simple.
I hope it gets great and I'm compelled to switch.
Still now in a shared environment it relies on users systems,
intranet build systems having the same installed frameworks rather
than centralised and auto-downloaded etc. What if you want to roll
back to a specific version of wonder etc? Does that happen
automatically on every system by a simple declaration of a
property? It's easy for me to install a central release of wonder,
for example, update the master pom with that version, commit to
svn and everyone else gets it by virtue of an svn up.
I've always said that Maven supports dependency management that the
others don't. I've never said Maven is *useless*, rather that, for
the problems I have, it seems far to complex. That said, I have
never felt like dependencies was really THAT big of a deal for me.
We have a set of dependencies we rely on and those are in
frameworks. It's not perfect. It has flaws. But it's easy. And
when something goes wrong, it's pretty easy to fix. I've never
rolled back a version of Wonder, but then having commit access
maybe makes that an easier problem to solve :) I would like to
have autobuilding dependencies and project dependencies that
dynamically build, yes, but do I want to trade that for
Maven ...... still not feeling it.
You haven't described the problem you're trying to solve...
dependencies are easy in both systems (though I believe it's easier
in maven - but that's besides the point).
I think Maven clearly beats anything we have to offer for dependency
management.
You haven't started this whole thread for curiosities sake. Let's,
for arguments sake, assume you've started working on a project
that's currently using maven and that this is the reason for your
posts and you're perhaps considering whether or not to migrate said
projects back from maven to ant ... I want to know why.
Honestly, it's purely curiosities' sake. Yes, I have a project I've
started working on that does in fact use Maven, but it is what it is
and it's not going to change whether I want it to or not. What I want
to know is whether I should migrate my projects from ant TO maven, I
really do have genuine intentions here. People who use WebObjects tend
to swear by it. People who never have often tend to disparage it. It
seems to me that Maven is a similar technology in terms of fandom
and ... hate..dom? The people who use and love Maven aren't dumb,
they clearly found something that made their lives better. I don't
really think I'll be able to make a fair judgment without actually
trying to use it for real, though, I'm just trying to decide for
myself whether the payoff is worth the investment is all.
What problem are you having?
Is this open-ended or specifically with Maven :)
ms
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