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Re: maven.


  • Subject: Re: maven.
  • From: Lachlan Deck <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:21:27 +1100

On 04/04/2009, at 1:43 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

That all depends on what you mean by out of the box. Both build systems rely on WebObjects being installed.
Beyond that what out of the box are you referring to?
I consider WOLips the product I deliver, so I mean WOLips out-of-the- box.

right.

Even now on the mailing list there's constant questions about how do achieve things with the current build process. I'm not suggesting this is your fault, but it's not all plain sailing 'tis all I'm saying.
SSDD/War builds, sucky (but admittedly essentially never touched) ... Inter-project build dependencies, sucky. #1 I'm guessing Maven doesn't have much to offer without custom coding, either,

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Packaging+WO+Applications+as+true+WAR+with+Maven

though, #2 almost certainly Maven addresses. I'm not sure what other "constant questions" there are.

I'm just referring to the regularity of .. can't find my frameworks, wolips.properties missing etc. Not suggesting that with any other system the noise would decrease, but just saying it's there.


And I do take the blame for anything that sucks that I touched :)

:)

Creating a simple project is easy in both systems is my suggestion. Adding project dependencies IMHO is easier with maven.
Granted, the onus is on us to do better with the wiki.
IMO, the simple project is not as simple for WO people to use Maven. Not that it can't be, but it just isn't now.

Sure. The guides we have definitely need improving. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Quick+Start http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Maven+Create+WO+Application+Project

But the templates in woproject (which I specifically updated for this purpose recently) create a project that's ready to go. These work, as always, with the standard maven wizard.

I want people to launch WOLips and things just work.
Sure. The reason why this doesn't currently work out of the box for maven-based apps is to do with WO's need for bundles. We (the maven dudes) are already talking through this. Should be simple.
I hope it gets great and I'm compelled to switch.

It certainly needs polish. The above's a good start imo but I agree it can improve a lot more to make it a no-brainer for newbies.


<...>

You haven't started this whole thread for curiosities sake. Let's, for arguments sake, assume you've started working on a project that's currently using maven and that this is the reason for your posts and you're perhaps considering whether or not to migrate said projects back from maven to ant ... I want to know why.
Honestly, it's purely curiosities' sake. Yes, I have a project I've started working on that does in fact use Maven, but it is what it is and it's not going to change whether I want it to or not. What I want to know is whether I should migrate my projects from ant TO maven, I really do have genuine intentions here. People who use WebObjects tend to swear by it. People who never have often tend to disparage it. It seems to me that Maven is a similar technology in terms of fandom and ... hate..dom? The people who use and love Maven aren't dumb, they clearly found something that made their lives better. I don't really think I'll be able to make a fair judgment without actually trying to use it for real, though, I'm just trying to decide for myself whether the payoff is worth the investment is all.

No worries.

What problem are you having?
Is this open-ended or specifically with Maven :)

I'm all ears :)

with regards,
--

Lachlan Deck

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