Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
- Subject: Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
- From: Massimiliano Picone <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:50:05 +0200
Hi David,
Hi Max,
On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Massimiliano Picone wrote:
Hi all,
as you already know the new Mac OS X Server 10.6 has no support for
WebObjects deployment. As you can read on page 7 in the official
docs, "WebObjects: Support for WebObjects is removed with Mac OS X
v10.6." http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/Web_Tech_Admin_v10.6.pdf
First of all, let's clear up the "Support for WebObjects is removed
with Mac OS X v10.6." statement. This just means that the OS X
installer no longer installs or forcefully updates the WO Frameworks
to whatever is the version Apple decided to ship with the OS
installer. All this means is that you must install WebObjects
yourself. You can still run your apps in the same manor as you did
on previous versions of OS X, but you now manage that install and
update process separate from the install and updating of the OS.
This is a good thing in that you'll know that when you install a
critical OS or security update it isn't going to install a new,
potentially incompatible, version of WO.
Thanks that's good info. After all, OS X Server docs were never that
accurate or complete.
I already read some of your opinions about WO not being dead at
all, how WOWODC was good, gianduja, etc. In my opinion Apple should
be a bit more clear about the transition they have in mind for
WebObjects,
I think everyone here agrees that Apple could and should certainly
do a better job of spelling this all out, explaining where to get a
separate installer and what the upgrade process is. Hopefully now
that SL is about to be shipped, we'll get more of that kind of
information.
why it's so hard for them to elaborate at least on how to
transition from direct WO deployment on 10.5 to 10.6 deployment
using Tomcat?
As I mentioned above, you don't have to change how you run your apps
on Snow Leopard. Sure, you could transition to using the built-in
version of Tomcat, but then you are opening yourself up to the risk
of Apple deciding at some point to update Tomcat with a system
update, which could impact your running applications.
I read that the only system that boots 64 bit kernel as default on
Snow Leopard is the Xserve. I guess Java processes also run in 64 bit
(well many processes run 64 bit on SL also when using the 32 bit
kernel anyway), do you think WO apps need at least a recompile?
Ease of use is of course left behind here and *Windows-like*
headaches arise (hint at new Apple ads).
Out-of-the-box ease-of-use is certainly being sacrificed in this
situation in order to put the power back into the hands of system
administrators as to when and how they upgrade WO on a SL server.
That is a good thing.
Anyway, we want to upgrade to Snow Leopard Server because we got
Intel Xserves that can really benefit from the new OS, but one
server is completely dedicated to Web and WebObjects. Do you think
it's worth it?
If your current WO install is running now and you aren't
experiencing specific problems that you feel Snow Leopard will
address, I'd say wait for some more clear upgrade instructions
either from Apple or the community. No need to jump in day one.
Absolutely, I'm just in a need to plan things up; maybe someone in
this list played with the betas... :-)
Thank you
Max
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