Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
- Subject: Re: 10.6 Snow Leopard deployment, how to?
- From: Joe Little <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:54:36 -0700
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Massimiliano Picone<email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
>> Hi Max,
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Massimiliano Picone wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> as you already know the new Mac OS X Server 10.6 has no support for
>>> WebObjects deployment. As you can read on page 7 in the official docs,
>>> "WebObjects: Support for WebObjects is removed with Mac OS X v10.6."
>>> http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/Web_Tech_Admin_v10.6.pdf
>>
>> First of all, let's clear up the "Support for WebObjects is removed with
>> Mac OS X v10.6." statement. This just means that the OS X installer no
>> longer installs or forcefully updates the WO Frameworks to whatever is the
>> version Apple decided to ship with the OS installer. All this means is that
>> you must install WebObjects yourself. You can still run your apps in the
>> same manor as you did on previous versions of OS X, but you now manage that
>> install and update process separate from the install and updating of the OS.
>> This is a good thing in that you'll know that when you install a critical OS
>> or security update it isn't going to install a new, potentially
>> incompatible, version of WO.
>
> Thanks that's good info. After all, OS X Server docs were never that
> accurate or complete.
>
>>
>>> I already read some of your opinions about WO not being dead at all, how
>>> WOWODC was good, gianduja, etc. In my opinion Apple should be a bit more
>>> clear about the transition they have in mind for WebObjects,
>>
>> I think everyone here agrees that Apple could and should certainly do a
>> better job of spelling this all out, explaining where to get a separate
>> installer and what the upgrade process is. Hopefully now that SL is about to
>> be shipped, we'll get more of that kind of information.
>>
>>> why it's so hard for them to elaborate at least on how to transition from
>>> direct WO deployment on 10.5 to 10.6 deployment using Tomcat?
>>
>> As I mentioned above, you don't have to change how you run your apps on
>> Snow Leopard. Sure, you could transition to using the built-in version of
>> Tomcat, but then you are opening yourself up to the risk of Apple deciding
>> at some point to update Tomcat with a system update, which could impact your
>> running applications.
>
> I read that the only system that boots 64 bit kernel as default on Snow
> Leopard is the Xserve. I guess Java processes also run in 64 bit (well many
> processes run 64 bit on SL also when using the 32 bit kernel anyway), do you
> think WO apps need at least a recompile?
If you already are using the Java 64bit VM to build it, there is no
recompile necessary. In preparation I've been using the Java 1.6 VM on
Leopard to confirm that 64-bit works, and I've deployed without issue
to both Linux based and 10.6-basd Java 1.6 systems, and not using
servlets. I've successfully upgraded from 10.5 in-place to 10.6 with
the whole WebObjects environment working just fine. This is just
10.5/6 client though, not server.
As per usual, do your own tests on dev/testing systems before
production, but the 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade on Intel _should_ be the best
one yet.
>
>>
>>> Ease of use is of course left behind here and *Windows-like* headaches
>>> arise (hint at new Apple ads).
>>
>> Out-of-the-box ease-of-use is certainly being sacrificed in this situation
>> in order to put the power back into the hands of system administrators as to
>> when and how they upgrade WO on a SL server. That is a good thing.
>>
>>> Anyway, we want to upgrade to Snow Leopard Server because we got Intel
>>> Xserves that can really benefit from the new OS, but one server is
>>> completely dedicated to Web and WebObjects. Do you think it's worth it?
>>
>> If your current WO install is running now and you aren't experiencing
>> specific problems that you feel Snow Leopard will address, I'd say wait for
>> some more clear upgrade instructions either from Apple or the community. No
>> need to jump in day one.
>
> Absolutely, I'm just in a need to plan things up; maybe someone in this list
> played with the betas... :-)
>
>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Max
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