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Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]]
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Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]]


  • Subject: Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]]
  • From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:40:42 -0500


On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:

On 4. Dec. 2009, at 16:48 , Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:

[Free]
So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro


MySQL Administrator is pretty nice to have. At least I don't have to shell out $150 on Navicat. Does postgres/frontbase/other have decent free tools?

PGAdmin always did what I needed when I was on the GUI. Not as nice as Navicat, but working. But as I do 99% of my DB stuff on the commandline, I quite like psql. Definitely more than sql92 from FrontBase with it's weird display and somehow weird syntax for everything other than SQL.

Now that is a pro in favor of PG. I dislike dependence on GUI tools for database servers where I usually want to ssh and tunnel into some remote database server and get stuff done and write utility shell scripts for admin and development.




FrontBaseManager: okay. It's there. It kind of works for most things I needed.


Anyway, I've found this discussion very enlightening.

I think it is the first one where actual points were made apart form "but I like it better".

Yeah, it just says something good about this great group of people. I guess WebObjects devs are practical and reasonable. If they were over- emotional, they wouldn't be using it because they would be afraid of it being EOL'd or sth like that!


BTW, not only were actual points made, but we (Chuck) can make fun of each other (me) without getting insulted! ;-)

Heck, the Google Wave app was made for discussions like this .... the indentation and content is making it harder to find new comments!



. and the money thing. Of the other two, I'm probably going to lean toward Postgres, but I'm wondering... What will I do for admin tools? I'm not good at remembering cryptic command line options.

PGAdmin.

http://www.pgadmin.org/

Clearly, more study is needed (^_^) Oh, as for the Vertical inheritance... I was just testing/studying inheritance. I've read enough about what a waste of time VI is on this list. I know better than to actually want to use it myself. I've already seen it fail in MySQL and OpenBase, so I was more interested in why it was failing than actually attempting to use it.

You might also want to do some perf testing for your needs. FrontBase can be a very nice option if you are not running in the situations where it's query optimizer is just not up to the task. Also with FrontBase you need to make sure to filter data appropriately, even when importing or using other tools than EOF - otherwise, garbage in, server down. I had that a couple times.


Nevertheless, FrontBase is easy to install, easy to use with WO, is SQL92 compliant, has some nice features like the LookSee full text index, multi-master replication and so on.

PostgreSQL is a bit more cumbersome to set up, but not really hard or so, is definitely more robust, has a very good query optimizer and an "explain analyze ..." that actually works and that gives useful information. I never found FrontBase particularly helpful in that department.

cug

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 >Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Anjo Krank <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Lachlan Deck <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?] (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]] (From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>)
 >Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]] (From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]] (From: Ramsey Lee Gurley <email@hidden>)
 >Re: MySQL [was: Re: Dr. Miguel 'Optimistic Locking' Arroz [was Re: WebObjects stress Testing tool?]] (From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>)

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