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Re: WO alternatives


  • Subject: Re: WO alternatives
  • From: Andrus Adamchik <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:39:28 +0300

I don't care for the XML databases per se, but the wider self declared NoSQL "movement", aside from the annoying hype that is so hard to escape, presents some interesting RDBMS alternatives, none requiring an ORM. E.g. a content repository API that is presumably great for CMS apps:

  http://jackrabbit.apache.org/

Or a RESTful document-oriented database (Hi, Lotus Notes!):

  http://couchdb.apache.org/

And that's just a few of them. There is an explosion of non-relational data store choices out there. Most of them make it hard to do many simple things we are accustomed to with RDBMS, but they give you other things in return. Certainly something to watch closely.

Andrus



On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:

I say this with the utmost respect of the work put into the open source ORM frameworks out there, but if I were to look at tech outside of WO, it would probably be something other than a "me too" ORM framework. I can't say I've looked much, but I've yet to find anything outside of WO that is remotely comparable to the D2W style of programming.

That said, so far there is at least one other platform I have found truly interesting outside of WO. I will probably look into XRX at some point when I have time. It sounds very elegant in the fact that there's no deconstruction of objects necessitated by the use of a relational database. The database IS xml. No ORM required :) Plus, I would imagine that opens up a whole new class of patterns not available in typical ORM development. For instance, XSDs can declare free standing attributes that can attach to any element. With a relational db, how would you do this? Add an optional column on every table in your database for every one of those attributes? I can also see how XPath could be quite similar to KVC, and XSLTs could stand in for WOComponents. If XSLT is capable of doing something like a WOSwitchComponent and WOComponentContent, then I could see at least the potential to improve on WO rather than try to clone it... again. :) Plus, XSLT looks to have pretty good support client side... it would be pretty awesome if the client processor did most of the page processing while the server could just serve data and do data validation on input.

I'm sure there's a lot more to it, but it just sounds really interesting to me. However, I'm not one to fret over the future of WO, so I guess I'm just posting to see if any of you WO guys have played with XRX and/or eXist-db? ;)

Ramsey

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Daniel Mejia wrote:

Chuck,

First of all let me tell you that I have invested many years in WO, I have developed many systems with less bugs and much faster than with any other platform that I know. I´m very happy with the product and with the support that you and many other people provides, that is much better than the "professional support" from many companies, but after many discussions in our company we have decided to look for alternatives. There are many reasons for this decision , many of them discussed for other people in previous posts. We will continue developing with WO, but we think that is better for us and our customers to try to find an alternative at this time.

We are evaluating SEAM from jBoss, Liftweb and Spring Web Flow. My question was with the idea to include in this evaluation any framework that the WO people recomend.

Saludos,

Daniel.


On 08/10/2009, at 06:43 p.m., Chuck Hill wrote:


On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Daniel Mejia wrote:

Hi all,

If you have to choose another framework for Web Development , different than WO, what could be your selection?

We are looking for alternatives and I would like to know if somebody knows something close to WO...


If we knew something close to WO, do you think we would be reading this list? It is not the road map and clear communication from Apple that keeps us here.

Chuck


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