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Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?
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Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?


  • Subject: Re: What could we do to convince Apple to opensource WebObjects ?
  • From: Lachlan Deck <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:29:41 +1000

On 17/09/2009, at 12:52 PM, John Ours wrote:

On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote:

On the path to WO 5.4.3 over 2007/2008, and simply when I'm trying to understand specific behaviours, not having the source-code was/ is quite annoying -- I would have thought that it would be beneficial for Apple to have all of us being able to submit suggested solutions into Radar rather than just problems.

But as a practical matter you surely have the tools (JD) to inspect the code when necessary. Given the state of documentation, there really is no other choice. Granted have the actual source would be more convenient.

Significantly more convenient and useful for looking through / understanding the code .. there'd even be comments found!


Real engineering problems however are, in my opinion, dwarfed by the political issues around having no source-access and releases managed as "surprises" to the user base.

The lack of a clear road map is frustrating but IMO that's a separate issue from it being closed source. Open source projects still have delayed releases, features that are slow to materialize, rejected patches, etc. But forking an entire project isn't something that's done lightly so we live with it, the same way we live with these things from a closed-source vendor.


Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome WO as open source in a minute...I'm just saying I can see why they haven't done it,

I can too.

Hey it's got a lot of years behind it, lots of money. It also takes a concerted effort to open-source something and continue to back it. It's not just a matter of changing the licence either. Lawyers cost money, so consider the irony. Hey we want to open-souce this thing and... they've started counting their seven minute increments already. Companies open-source things (like IBM) when they're putting lots of resources behind it in order to get some pay back.

and I don't think the source would necessarily have much impact on the community.

This I don't agree with.

with regards,
--

Lachlan Deck

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