Re: Suggestions for best deployment?
Re: Suggestions for best deployment?
- Subject: Re: Suggestions for best deployment?
- From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:14:41 -0700
I honestly have no idea. That is an interesting question.
Chuck
On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> I'm just not sure what kind of control you have over the firewall with these cloud servers...
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> On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
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>>> Does everyone run apache and WO on the same machine? No DMZ?
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>> That depends on the size of the installation. Usually Apache and some of the instances can co-exist. You can run Apache on each machine and put a load balancer in front. For lower usage apps, you can put the database on the same machine. Put them all behind a firewall and only allow 80 and 443 through.
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>> Chuck
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>>> I'm still not clear on how these cloud servers are supposed to work regarding separation...
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>>> Ken
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>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Lon Varscsak wrote:
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>>>> I have a dedicated box on rackspace too...it's pricey, but solid as a rock. WO/apache/Postgres.
>>>>
>>>> -Lon
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>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, James Cicenia <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>> I actually have a dedicated managed box over at Rackspace. Their support is top notch. And the webobjects app just keep chugging. I use mysql.
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>>>> - James
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>>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
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>>>>> I'm considering using rackspace and fathomdb - seems very similar to ec2 and rds. Anyone have any experience with rackspace? I've been using the for mail hosting for a while and I like them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
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>>>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Giles Palmer wrote:
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>>>>>> +1 for a podcast!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are just starting down the EC2 route and would be very interested in your experiences. We are using postgres so can't make use of RDS which is a great shame, we are also intending to make use of hBase (Hadoop) for some of our file storage.
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>>>>>> Giles
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>>>>>>> You know, that could make a great podcast or even better, a nice WOWODC presentation :-) Ubermind did a great introduction to WOlastic last year, your case study can complement it.
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>>>>>>>> doing what you've done means you're managing mysql, looking after it, making sure it doesn't fall over, doing backups, managing replication etc. rds does all of that for you. it also makes changing the config of your database server a breeze: need more disk space ? couple of clicks. need more ram ? couple of clicks. need more compute power behind it ? couple of clicks. need automatic fail-over to a different availability zone ? couple of clicks.
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>>>>>>>> re web server resources, remember it's just a normal wo deployment running in the cloud, so you can do whatever you do now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we don't separate the web and app tier - all our ec2 instances run monitor, wotaskd and apache, and are effectively independent of each other, and we use an elastic load balancer up front.
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>>>>>>>> simon
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>>>>>>>> On 27 July 2010 17:40, James Cicenia <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>> So the base image is the actual OS? So you are managing it as the admin?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I decided to try WOlastic. I configured the instances, setup up mysql with my users and sync'd the database from existing production to amazon.
>>>>>>>> So you are suggesting RDS vs. what I just did? What are the benefits of RDS? Amazon backs up the mysql I created.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit stumped on WebServerResources. How are you handling that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if this works well, I can my webobject apps over and then just sell my server and drop the colo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Simon wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> rolling your own is surprisingly easy if you start with a base image. we started out with a vanilla centos image from rightscale, and have built it up into what we needed from there. you can then create an ebs-backed ami in a couple of clicks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> re pricing, it all depends on what you need. our financial models tell us for our deployment is excellent value for money, and we can scale well beyond our current needs and it remains as such. use the cost aws calculator to figure out your own costs, and remember to factor in staff costs in your decision making process. those DBA's are darn expensive compared to RDS :-)
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>>>>>>>>> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html
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>>>>>>>>> the only performance issue we found is that it is basically impossible to host your DB outside of amazon due to latency. but you don't have to use RDS - if you like sticking needles in your eyes you can just run and look after your own mysql / postgre / mssql / whatever on an ec2 instance.
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>>>>>>>>> the general performance of our apps has also vastly improved. a mixture of using more computing power and amazon having much faster internet transit than we were paying for in our previous co-lo.
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>>>>>>>>> alongside production we also run our staging servers and our hudson build server on ec2. in productivity terms running hudson there was a huge leap forward: previously a new build would take around 30 minutes to upload to staging / production. now it takes 19 seconds flat :-)
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>>>>>>>>> we're shortly going to move our subversion repository to ec2 as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simon
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>>>>>>>>> On 27 July 2010 15:13, James Cicenia <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is very cool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need to move one of my servers, or, use the cloud approach for its WOApps. I see you rolled your own but wolastic seems like it is for a mere mortal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone use wolastic? What is the pricing your are seeing? Issues? Performances? Etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> James Cicenia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Simon wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> we don't use the wolastic images (we have our own) but we do deploy entirely on the amazon ec2 cloud now. ec2 instances running standard javamonitor / wotaskd, amazon RDS for database server, s3 for file storage etc. scalability on demand, load balancing, redundancy across multiple availability zones. it's the best thing since sliced bread...
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>>>>>>>>>> our staging servers (also on ec2) run wonders javamonitor / wotasd and hence we'll probably upgrade our production servers to those soon.
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>>>>>>>>>> simon
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>>>>>>>>>> On 26 July 2010 21:36, Ramsey Gurley <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried it yet, but WOlastic looks like a *really* cool deployment solution for WO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://wolastic.com/
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>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey
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>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the thoughts guys!
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>>>>>>>>>> Ken
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>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Le 2010-07-26 à 12:55, Chuck Hill a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> I've been asked to comment on the best way to deploy WebObjects today without any "imposed" restrictions. I haven't done any new deployments in a long while, so I'm likely not up to date on the last. What are people using today, and why do they think it's the best?
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>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lacking imposed restrictions (e.g. must run in J2EE container), traditional WO deployment through Apache with mod_webobjects is probably the way to go. Anjo was working on mod_proxy deployment, but I don't recall how far he got or if he has this in production. It looked promising. There is also a Fast CGI adaptor and Ravi is working on something for WOWODC.
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>>>>>>>>>> I'm adding some mods in JavaMonitor too (for WOWODC) and Andrew Lindesay also have stuff in LEWOStuff to use mod_proxy_ajp.
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