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Re: Finding WO people for startups (cult of the dead)
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Re: Finding WO people for startups (cult of the dead)


  • Subject: Re: Finding WO people for startups (cult of the dead)
  • From: email@hidden
  • Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:53:40 -0400

Thanks Ramsey,

I didn't know WOLips did that. That is cool :-)

Anyway I think we table this discussion... This is a WO list after all. I probably should have kept my mouth shut.

For Andrew, Chuck, Mark, Jim, and others I'll give one quick overview and be done. Everything is out there on the net anyway.

When I picked up Ruby on Rails after attending a "No Fluff Just Stuff" convention I thought to myself "Did these people ever use WebObjects?" To me you need to learn and use WO before you can even think about making something better.

When I picked up Seaside and tried doing stuff with it I thought "Wow, this guy made WO Better." All the plumbing is there and it makes sense.

Back in 2009 I wrote this blog post that explains this a bit more:

http://www.somethingiknow.com/aaronCorner/aaronSoftwareBlog/What_happened_to_WebObjects

Briefly I'll add the following:

Smalltalk -> Eclipse plus Java and JRebel combined
Seaside -> WebObjects, AJAX, WOnder without the EOF bits - "magic" component actions, synchronization of bindings, and sessionless direct actions.
Magritte -> D2W
Monticello -> GIT
Swazoo -> WOMonitor, WOTaskd
Gemstone -> Object database on par with Oracle (expensive, widely used)
Magma -> Object database on par with Postgress (open source, not as widely used)
Handful of ORM solutions for relational db -> on par with Hibernate

All those times you use WO and say "it's magic" you get that same feeling with Seaside. Very few frameworks do this well.

-- Aaron

Ramsey Gurley <email@hidden> wrote on 09/28/2011 02:31:38 PM:

>
> Just in response to that last part... Command-shift-F works fine for
> me to reformat a WOComponent's html in WOLips.  It uses spaces
> instead of tabs though, which bugs the crap out of me.  Well, enough
> not to use it very often, but not enough to actually find a way to
> make it use tabs when I use it. (^_^)

>
> Ramsey

>
>
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