Re: Community Roadmap for 2012
Re: Community Roadmap for 2012
- Subject: Re: Community Roadmap for 2012
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:13:49 -0400
That's a case that can be part of the "30 minutes of free consulting" suggestion. Another option would be to offer discounts on services and products to members.
> A good example to consider might be the problem that Rich had last week with deployment. That took some time to resolve. Is that the kind of think people should be getting support for? If not, what do you have in mind?
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> Chuck
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> On 2012-03-15, at 2:28 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
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>> That's true. I was thinking that documentation and asking questions to the list would remain free but there could be some kind of premier level of support that could be defined.
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>> Johnny Miller
>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>> www.kahalawai.com
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>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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>>> On 2012-03-15, at 2:13 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
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>>>> After I sent the email I was thinking about your second point that it's probably a conflict of interest for many people. I guess the community could get whole sale rates from people like yourself and become a kind of reseller.
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>>> It depends. It if is an hour or two of work, we don't want it. The admin costs are too high. If it is a week or two, I can't ethically or physically do it outside of work. The bigger concern in my mind is how to sell the community on the idea of not getting free on-demand support.
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>>> Chuck
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>>>> But maybe it's just a bad idea all around.
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>>>> Johnny Miller
>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>>>> www.kahalawai.com
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>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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>>>>> The only problem I see is that we would have to stop doing this for free and demand that people pay for support. That makes the community less self supporting than it is now. And for larger support needs, that cuts into some of our day jobs.
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>>>>> Chuck
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>>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 1:08 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
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>>>>>> Just a random idea I had I'm not sure if it's been discussed already but here goes:
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>>>>>> Maybe the community could sell support and members could donate their time to service the support. Seems like something people do anyway and at least this time the community could get paid for it.
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>>>>>> And then when developers run up against the objection of "why should I use WO if Apple no longer supports it?" the dev can say don't worry we can buy support from this organization who specializes in WebObjects.
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>>>>>> Anyway just a thought,
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>>>>>> Johnny Miller
>>>>>> Kahalawai Media Corp.
>>>>>> www.kahalawai.com
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>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:25 AM, David Holt wrote:
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>>>>>>> On 2012-03-15, at 10:04 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Le 2012-03-15 à 12:19, James Cicenia a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>> I think a better strategy is that we get a volunteer to go to Apple and sit there until Tim Cook meets with said volunteer.
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>>>>>>>>> With the iOS making major penetration into the corporate world, this is a perfect opportunity to get the tools in there too!
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>>>>>>>> Ok, so knowing Apple, they will make sure that a new release of WO that will only to talk to iOS devices. I don't think they care much about the Web. I'm pretty sure that it was discussed inside Apple...
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>>>>>>> The WEB is dead!! The WEB is dead!!
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>>>>>>> (long live WebObjects :-)
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>>>>>>>>> We could all chip in $100 or so to pay for transportation, room and board.
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>>>>>>>>> I could volunteer for the assignment.
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>>>>>>>>> James
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>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> I don't think Apple cares about petitions, or else OpenDoc, HyperCard and other stuff would still be around :-) I guess we can try to email Tim Cook directly.
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>>>>>>>>>> I always wondered how many of us have opened issues in Radar to ask for new releases of WO?
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>>>>>>>>>>> Petition the new boss to APSL the rest of WO 5.4.3. We've already got JavaWOExtensions, JavaMonitor, wotaskd, and the web server adaptor code. The whole thing would be nice, but I only count 8 core frameworks that we really need, 14 if you count java client.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
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>>>>>>>>>>>> So based on what people said, this is what the "community roadmap" for this year should be:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Finishing the tutorials
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Writing a Getting Started with Project Wonder book
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Improvements on the development and deployment tools to make them easier to work it (especially on starting up, like an installer than install Eclipse, WOLips and the WO/Wonder frameworks)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Fixing bugs or doing improvements that are affecting at least 25% of the community (the 2G limit of WOFileUpload, model reverse engineering bugs, etc.)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Documentation about how to move to Wonder APIs instead of the straight WO APIs (that's the first part before moving to alternatives)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> - Better integration between WO and iOS/Android
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else?
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