Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
- Subject: Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
- From: Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 20:15:09 +0000
A wiki is a lovely idea, but what I saw happen with the previous wiki was that
everyone was "too nice" to just re-edit things, throw out outdated info and
correct errors. So if you want to know how something works, you now basically
have to read through 15 meters of non-documentation and polite conversation
about how things might or might not work.
So… Sure. We could have a wiki. But I don't think a wiki can serve as the
primary source of truth—unless we appoint a merciless editor.
Anyway, as for the future—we're making a web framework, shouldn't we be using
our own medicine? :p
> On 1 Nov 2020, at 19:57, Jesse Tayler <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> I think “wiki" itself works well for this, real-time chat and pages where we
> can use images and formatting and various linking and keep it simple. A
> little less ‘moderated’ and a bit more a shared scratch area people can post
> whatever they think is useful.
>
> I also agree the old stuff is more outdated or misinformation and really we
> should just start again.
>
> Where can we put this sort of thing? A free wiki service or install one on a
> server? I guess I could set something up--
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Hugi Thordarson <email@hidden
>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>> I kind of hate Slack as well. But unfortunately it currently seems like the
>> nicest place for real time chat.
>>
>> I agree about the worries of divergence. We need to re-establish WOCommunity.
>>
>> As for the old wiki pages, I think they should just be plain abandoned and
>> buried. There's more misinformation there than information. If we make a
>> replacement I think it should be more of a blog-style, linking to articles
>> that people can maintain themselves, like your Docker/WO work that I would
>> love to hear more about :).
>>
>> - hugi
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 18:09, Jesse Tayler <email@hidden
>>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate slack but we could use a channel like that, I worry about any form
>>> of divergence because we’re already few and far between
>>>
>>> I have had great luck with Docker and WO and have a few modern frameworks
>>> that help keep our apps nicely modern and I’m actually really happy with
>>> the results so I still love WO and haven’t found anything I could wield
>>> that kind of power.
>>>
>>> I should put the Docker stuff into a WIKI page, but I’m also wondering
>>> about the ‘old’ wiki and who’s maintaining any of that or if we should
>>> largely start again or something.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev
>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Slack channel is in no way or form meant to be a secret. It's
>>>> something I started for fun a during a WOWODC session and the more people
>>>> that join the better!
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was "common knowledge" by now but I can absolutely understand
>>>> how the channel can be perceived as "secret", since it's not mentioned
>>>> anywhere. Totally my bad and I'll work to fix it. It's a problem that goes
>>>> deeper than just that particular channel.
>>>>
>>>> - hugi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 17:49, Marc Günther via Webobjects-dev
>>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to bother everyone, but I can find absolutely no information about
>>>>> this anywhere. I wouldn't even know whom to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently there is a WOCommunity Slack channel since quite a while now:
>>>>> - https://wocommunity.slack.com <https://wocommunity.slack.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be very interested to join, but I cannot find a sign up link
>>>>> anywhere, or a contact person, or any mention of it on the wiki. Is there
>>>>> a particular reason that this channel is kept so secret? Only for the
>>>>> elite clique of WOnder contributers and not for the common WebObjects
>>>>> developer?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was recently interested in Elm, and I could just join their Slack and
>>>>> say Hi, and ask questions. It felt very welcoming for new users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I know there won't be any new users for WO, but it would still be
>>>>> nice if there wouldn't be this air of mystery about the whole thing. I
>>>>> mean with the Wiki being out of date for like 5 years, WOInstaller
>>>>> broken, etc. I recently had to setup WebObjects for development and for
>>>>> deployment on some new machines (MacOS Catalina), and documented the
>>>>> entire process, so I thought, I could update the information on the wiki,
>>>>> but I don't have an account there either, and likewise, no idea on who to
>>>>> ask about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings from Sweden,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>
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