Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
- Subject: Re: The secret WOCommunity Slack channel?
- From: Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 15:16:13 -0500
I know EXACTLY what you mean...
> On Nov 1, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Hugi Thordarson <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> A wiki is a lovely idea, but what I saw happen with the previous wiki was
> that everyone was "too nice" to just re-edit things, throw out outdated info
> and correct errors. So if you want to know how something works, you now
> basically have to read through 15 meters of non-documentation and polite
> conversation about how things might or might not work.
>
> So… Sure. We could have a wiki. But I don't think a wiki can serve as the
> primary source of truth—unless we appoint a merciless editor.
>
> Anyway, as for the future—we're making a web framework, shouldn't we be using
> our own medicine? :p
>
>
>
>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 19:57, Jesse Tayler <email@hidden
>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>
>> I think “wiki" itself works well for this, real-time chat and pages where we
>> can use images and formatting and various linking and keep it simple. A
>> little less ‘moderated’ and a bit more a shared scratch area people can post
>> whatever they think is useful.
>>
>> I also agree the old stuff is more outdated or misinformation and really we
>> should just start again.
>>
>> Where can we put this sort of thing? A free wiki service or install one on a
>> server? I guess I could set something up--
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Hugi Thordarson <email@hidden
>>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I kind of hate Slack as well. But unfortunately it currently seems like the
>>> nicest place for real time chat.
>>>
>>> I agree about the worries of divergence. We need to re-establish
>>> WOCommunity.
>>>
>>> As for the old wiki pages, I think they should just be plain abandoned and
>>> buried. There's more misinformation there than information. If we make a
>>> replacement I think it should be more of a blog-style, linking to articles
>>> that people can maintain themselves, like your Docker/WO work that I would
>>> love to hear more about :).
>>>
>>> - hugi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 18:09, Jesse Tayler <email@hidden
>>>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate slack but we could use a channel like that, I worry about any form
>>>> of divergence because we’re already few and far between
>>>>
>>>> I have had great luck with Docker and WO and have a few modern frameworks
>>>> that help keep our apps nicely modern and I’m actually really happy with
>>>> the results so I still love WO and haven’t found anything I could wield
>>>> that kind of power.
>>>>
>>>> I should put the Docker stuff into a WIKI page, but I’m also wondering
>>>> about the ‘old’ wiki and who’s maintaining any of that or if we should
>>>> largely start again or something.
>>>>
>>>> Ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev
>>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Slack channel is in no way or form meant to be a secret. It's
>>>>> something I started for fun a during a WOWODC session and the more people
>>>>> that join the better!
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was "common knowledge" by now but I can absolutely
>>>>> understand how the channel can be perceived as "secret", since it's not
>>>>> mentioned anywhere. Totally my bad and I'll work to fix it. It's a
>>>>> problem that goes deeper than just that particular channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> - hugi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 17:49, Marc Günther via Webobjects-dev
>>>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to bother everyone, but I can find absolutely no information about
>>>>>> this anywhere. I wouldn't even know whom to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently there is a WOCommunity Slack channel since quite a while now:
>>>>>> - https://wocommunity.slack.com <https://wocommunity.slack.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be very interested to join, but I cannot find a sign up link
>>>>>> anywhere, or a contact person, or any mention of it on the wiki. Is
>>>>>> there a particular reason that this channel is kept so secret? Only for
>>>>>> the elite clique of WOnder contributers and not for the common
>>>>>> WebObjects developer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was recently interested in Elm, and I could just join their Slack and
>>>>>> say Hi, and ask questions. It felt very welcoming for new users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I know there won't be any new users for WO, but it would still be
>>>>>> nice if there wouldn't be this air of mystery about the whole thing. I
>>>>>> mean with the Wiki being out of date for like 5 years, WOInstaller
>>>>>> broken, etc. I recently had to setup WebObjects for development and for
>>>>>> deployment on some new machines (MacOS Catalina), and documented the
>>>>>> entire process, so I thought, I could update the information on the
>>>>>> wiki, but I don't have an account there either, and likewise, no idea on
>>>>>> who to ask about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden,
>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>
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