Re: Raise-on-Focus
Re: Raise-on-Focus
- Subject: Re: Raise-on-Focus
- From: magenta <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:42:31 -0800
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 01:29:52PM +0100, Joseph R. Kiniry wrote:
> --On vrijdag, 31 januari 2003 14:37 -0800 magenta <email@hidden>
> wrote:
>
> > IMO, raise-on-focus is a horribly broken way of doing things (as a
> > personal preference; some people work better with that), and I like to
> > keep window focus separate from window raising. However, as a result,
> > working with both X11 windows and Aqua windows using Apple X11 becomes
> > rather frustrating.
>
> I support this position. Apple's insistence on making only the topmost
> window liable for input is a supreme irritation for me. More often than
> not, I am unable to find a window set configuration that will actually let
> me see data I need *and* input information in another window because of
> this policy. This is why I am not using quartz-wm, but unfortunately,
> given there is no interleaving of X and Quartz windows, I'm still far from
> a comfortable environment.
>
> > I much preferred XDarwin's behavior of raising all windows when the X
> > server is raised, as it was more compatible with my work style and my
> > choice of WM.
>
> I'm confused about this mention though. When I activate Apple's X11 (via
> splat-tab, for example), all of my X windows are brought to the foreground,
> each retaining their current relative ordering. Is this not the behavior
> you witness? I am running sawfish as my window manager, btw.
I don't like switching by cmd-tab or clicking on the dock; I want it to
raise all when I click on an X11 window. I hate the dock and I hate
cmd-tab. :)
> ..snip..
>
> > In fact, what I'd *really* like to see is a way for Apple X11 to manage
> > *all* windows of the system, not just X11 windows. I'd love it if I could
> > manage my Safari and Finder windows with pwm. :)
>
> Indeed, this would be nice, but I don't believe we'll see it. Perhaps it
> isn't even possible, given the default raise-on-focus behavior of Quartz.
Yeah, and Quartz/Aqua/whatever don't seem to be all that modular, either...
a pity.
> Has anyone seen a tool that will change Finder's/Quartz's raise-on-activate
> focus behavior? I have yet to find such a thing.
I know that non-foreground apps still get mouse movement events (witness
window focus on X11.app windows when using a point-to-focus window manager
when something else is the foreground app), and I know that non-foreground
apps can get mouse clicks without becoming the foreground app (look at
iTunes when it's in 'minimal' mode), so it looks like it's an app-specific
thing. :/
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