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Re: Window Managers


  • Subject: Re: Window Managers
  • From: Gary Tate <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:24:38 -0800

Nick Zitzmann wrote:
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 06:54  AM, Lee Moffitt wrote:

Could someone explain the difference between Window Managers (ala WindowMaker and quartz-wm)


Window managers handle the drawing of windows on the screen. If you run an X server and don't load a window manager, then every "window" that gets drawn on screen is just a big box that you might be able to interact with, but you can't move it around, you can't click on a close button to close the window (since there is no close button), you can't minimize it, etc...

and Desktop Environments (ala GNOME and KDE)?


Desktop environments go beyond window managers by including integrated applications, toolbars, GUI widgets, online help, and other things you'd expect from a modern graphical working environment...

The X Window System itself ships with very minimal "default" GUI widgets, e.g. scroll bars, buttons, text views, etc. That's where libraries like Qt (used by KDE) and GTK+ (used by GNOME) come in - they extend X by adding better & more functional widgets.

When we install X11/quartz-wm, does include a Desktop Environment?


No. Apple X11 only includes the quartz-wm window manager, a basic X11R6 base installation, the XFree86 window server (version 4.2.1 I think) with OpenGL support, some scripts to run X11 stuff from Terminal, and that's about it.

You may need to install GTK+ and/or the GNOME libraries to use some popular X11 programs. Gimp, for example, uses GTK+. You can get stuff like this by installing Fink: <http://fink.sourceforge.net/>

Is it worthwhile to install GNOME or KDE on top of quartz-wm?


That's up to you. But if I was to use GNOME or KDE, I'd use their window managers and not quartz-wm.

One thing to keep in mind is Apple X11 currently doesn't support running in "rooted" mode, so if you install KDE or GNOME or something, you won't be able to see its desktop. If you need rooted mode, then you'll have to use XDarwin instead.

This is true, but if you want to get round it you can run Codetek Virtual Desktop.


On one workspace I open a gnome-session which is bound to this workspace. I then use the gnome 2 desktop and metacity windows manager. I have the full gnome desktop (backgrounds trash can etc.) and I have 4 workspaces within the desktop.

(this is something that is allowed using the setting in codetek workspace manager). Thought you might be interested

Nick Zitzmann
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