Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
- Subject: Re: Apple X11 Beta 3
- From: Keith Olson <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:57:11 -0800
[Sorry, first post carelessly included too big quoted original.]
Interesting thread everyone, lots of valid points. I am disappointed
(often) in Apple's lack of focus on enterprise products and services,
and I think pulling the x11 beta reflects that. Lots of rationale
for them to pull it (the pros and cons have been thoroughly aired on
this thread), but bottom line is they _could_ have left it up out of
respect for customers trying it out as an enterprise solution.
Somewhere early in this thread someone remarked that they were trying
to steer a Mac course for their enterprise including OpenOffice. At
the OO bof at the O'Reilly OS X conference last month I picked up a
copy of NeoOffice/J, a java -- not X11 -- OO. Been trying it out and
so far seems promising. www.neooffice.org if you're interested.
-K
At 1:03 PM -0600 11/8/03, Dave Schroeder wrote:
On Nov 8, 2003, at 12:24 PM, Robert T Wyatt wrote:
whew, some real rants here
Dave, I'm sorry, why did you say Apple should not allow use of the
Beta version?
1. Because it is their product.
2. Because it is beta.
3. Because they are under no obligation to do so.
4. Because they never promised it.
5. Because it will not be updated and will, because of this, may
cause significant problems in the future.
6. And most importantly, because of the license agreement (attached,
in part, below for everyone as a reminder) with every single X11 0.3
Beta install, which makes it plain as day.
Could Apple have left the X11 0.3 beta around for Jaguar users, even
just for a finite period to give people a chance to upgrade to
Panther? Sure. But they didn't. The full source code to Apple X11
1.0 is available, and people can do whatever they'd like with in
(within APSL boundaries). X11.app, however, is a proprietary
product, like iDVD, iTunes, or Mail. Apple is under no obligation to
make it available for any particular version of Mac OS X, or any at
all.
Apparently you have some reasoning about why this little bit of
software should never be seen again, but I missed it.
Reread my entire previous message, as I explained it thoroughly.
I'd like to know because we don't all work in an environment where
one's operating system is one's own choice to make, whether or not
Apple is financially supported at one's institution.
Full, free X11 installations are available for Mac OS X previous to
version 10.3:
http://www.xdarwin.org/
http://www.xfree86.org/
http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/section.php/x11-system
http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/darwinports/dports/x11/XFree86/Portfile
- Dave
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Keith Olson
email@hidden
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