Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
- Subject: Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
- From: Massimo Marino <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:02:54 +0200
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 10:49 PM, Gareth Eason wrote:
<flame-retardant_jacket>
I've solved the whole e-macs/X11 problem quite neatly by simply using
vim. emacs is just vim for beginners ;-)
</flame-retardant_jacket>
But seriously, was there not a spoof some time back about Windows
users standing to reclaim 2GB of hard disk space by Microsoft merely
changing every instance of the word "Microsoft" to "MS" in their EULAs
and terms of usage which they insist on putting on the hard disk with
every program?
In the emacs case, the --help option simply dumps a chunk of data
stored to cover every eventuality of command line help requirements. I
don't know how to see exactly what's compiled into the version of
emacs you're using, but in vim you simply use :version - I'm sure
there must be an equivalent... Any emacs gurus out there willing to
help?
Just launch emacs. It does not matter whether you have a version
compiled with X11 support of not you get the info you are looking for
at launch time.
For example:
GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin, X toolkit)
of 2003-04-19 on Viper.local.
Copyright (C) 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
If compiled without X11 support 'X toolkit' would not be there, which
is what Apple releases by default in that X11 libs are not present by
default.
Concerning space: ~10 Megs.
Best regards,
-->Gar
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 08:50 pm, Massimo Marino wrote:
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
My point is that if you run Apple /usr/bin/emacs with "-help" you
get:
Display options:
[many X11 display options snipped]
These are all X11 options. So, why does it mention (and take on the
command line) such options if it's not going to do anything with >>
them?
Because the help and man pages are not changed by the way you compile
the application.
You would get the same from emacs from fink if you'd change the
Makefile and built emacs without X11 support.
Also, I was just trying to mention to Apple that if they would
simply include the X11 support into their version of emacs, then
people wouldn't have to take up more of their disk space installing
yet another version of the same program. Just a suggestion. Take
it or trash it.
Well, with today's HD sizes talking about emacs taking up space...
isn't that a bit pedantic? ;-) Adding X11 support by default means
essentially adding all the Unix side that - frankly - for some Mac
users is more of a danger than of any use and THEY will complain -
rightfully - that Apple is stealing them of quite a bunch of disk
space for no use at all from their point of view. MHO.
/raj
Cheers
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 12:45 AM, Massimo Marino wrote:
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:01 AM,
email@hidden wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:56:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
Cc: email@hidden, Richard Johnson <email@hidden>
To: Sven Nueesch <email@hidden>
From: Enrico Franconi <email@hidden>
The original X11 emacs runs in a terminal window only. I didn't
find
anything to make it open an X window. I then switched to fink
Emacs
which runs perfectly and I am using it everyday.
There is nothing wrong with the Apple emacs build:
Since the default installation of OS X is *without* X11
environment, Apple provided emacs built with no X11 support. You
get the same result with *any* emacs if on the command line you
issue: 'emacs >> -nw'.
The option -nw is hard-wired on OS X in that it cannot assume X11
environment is present. If you compile fink emacs with no x11 you
get the same result as with Apple provided one: only terminal run.
Massimo
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