Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
- Subject: Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
- From: Gareth Eason <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:49:56 +0100
<flame-retardant_jacket>
I've solved the whole e-macs/X11 problem quite neatly by simply using
vim. emacs is just vim for beginners ;-)
</flame-retardant_jacket>
But seriously, was there not a spoof some time back about Windows
users standing to reclaim 2GB of hard disk space by Microsoft merely
changing every instance of the word "Microsoft" to "MS" in their EULAs
and terms of usage which they insist on putting on the hard disk with
every program?
In the emacs case, the --help option simply dumps a chunk of data
stored to cover every eventuality of command line help requirements. I
don't know how to see exactly what's compiled into the version of emacs
you're using, but in vim you simply use :version - I'm sure there must
be an equivalent... Any emacs gurus out there willing to help?
Best regards,
-->Gar
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 08:50 pm, Massimo Marino wrote:
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
My point is that if you run Apple /usr/bin/emacs with "-help" you get:
Display options:
[many X11 display options snipped]
These are all X11 options. So, why does it mention (and take on the
command line) such options if it's not going to do anything with >> them?
Because the help and man pages are not changed by the way you compile
the application.
You would get the same from emacs from fink if you'd change the
Makefile and built emacs without X11 support.
Also, I was just trying to mention to Apple that if they would simply
include the X11 support into their version of emacs, then people
wouldn't have to take up more of their disk space installing yet
another version of the same program. Just a suggestion. Take it or
trash it.
Well, with today's HD sizes talking about emacs taking up space...
isn't that a bit pedantic? ;-) Adding X11 support by default means
essentially adding all the Unix side that - frankly - for some Mac
users is more of a danger than of any use and THEY will complain -
rightfully - that Apple is stealing them of quite a bunch of disk
space for no use at all from their point of view. MHO.
/raj
Cheers
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 12:45 AM, Massimo Marino wrote:
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:01 AM,
email@hidden wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:56:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Using Apple's standard emacs with X11?
Cc: email@hidden, Richard Johnson <email@hidden>
To: Sven Nueesch <email@hidden>
From: Enrico Franconi <email@hidden>
The original X11 emacs runs in a terminal window only. I didn't
find
anything to make it open an X window. I then switched to fink Emacs
which runs perfectly and I am using it everyday.
There is nothing wrong with the Apple emacs build:
Since the default installation of OS X is *without* X11 environment,
Apple provided emacs built with no X11 support. You get the same
result with *any* emacs if on the command line you issue: 'emacs >>
-nw'.
The option -nw is hard-wired on OS X in that it cannot assume X11
environment is present. If you compile fink emacs with no x11 you
get the same result as with Apple provided one: only terminal run.
Massimo
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