Re: X11 and 10.5.1
Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- Subject: Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:01:45 -0600
It's a very involved process for things to be included in OS updates,
especially something considered, for better or worse, more "marginal",
such as X11. Don't get me wrong: I would love to see these updates in
an official Apple update soon. I just also know some of what has to
happen behind the scenes for this to occur, and there's the matter of
priorities...
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
What is it about Apple that makes you say it could not be included?
I really don't understand Apple's messed up update philosophy. It
is frustratingly slow and unnecessarily opaque.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
I doubt, *highly*, that any of this could be included in 10.5.1, or
10.5.anything. It is likelier that this could take the form of a
future standalone X11 update, as has been the case with previous
X11 updates.
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Mick Mueck wrote:
G'Day Ben,
I had grazed across this issue as an off-topic side note in an
earlier post to the list, but you didn't take the bait :-). From
past experience with being on the OS X seed list and also being an
X11 user I have two observations:
1. X11 is very rarely updated once a new cat is released.
2. It can sometimes take an incredibly long time (many weeks)
between the time a bug is fixed and when it makes actually it into
the next 10.x.y release.
Given that X11 in 10.5.0 is effectively unusable, can we get some
kind of inkling that all the X11 goodness pouring out of you has a
chance of making it into 10.5.1? Apple has just started seeding
10.5.1 betas and I'm already marginally worried that anything
submitted now for X11 may miss the final cut. That certainly
happened with TCL/TK. However, IF there is a chance then I'm
guessing NOW is the time to start worrying about bug fix
priorities and I'd like to think the studio audience here has an
opportunity to help prioritize these. This, of course, is a strong
function of just how deep and insidious some of these bugs are,
but if you believe there is a short list of bite-sized bug fixes
that we could vote on for 10.5.1 then would it be possible to post
that list?
I realize this may have the potential to turn into something ugly
depending on how passionate people get. Anyway, given that your
latest X11 is in fairly good shape, I'd rather see you take a
small break from fixing bugs IF your time is required to ensure an
updated X11 in 10.5.1. Maybe I've just got an arrogant and selfish
viewpoint - wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of that :-)
Mick
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