Re: X11 2.1.2 bug with Spaces
Re: X11 2.1.2 bug with Spaces
- Subject: Re: X11 2.1.2 bug with Spaces
- From: James Elliott <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:58:52 -0600
If that is your opinion, I recommend that you revert to Tiger X11, or
turn off Spaces. Reverting is possible, and the list archives point to
instructions on how to do that. And I have never felt a need to use a
technology like Spaces on Mac OS (though I do on Linux) because of how
well Macs support multiple physical screens and context-switching
within a single screen.
Your needs and experiences may vary, of course, and that is why there
are many approaches which currently are available to you, and people
are working rapidly towards making the default experience "just work"
as it should for Mac users. But there are not, and never have been,
enough people at Apple who can focus on this, which is why it's so
great that the bulk of the effort is now open to the open-source
community for contributions. You yourself could download the source
and start investigating how to make things better.
If you have time to read the archives more thoroughly, you will see
that X is developing much more rapidly, with community involvement,
and will soon be in a better place than it ever previously was on the
Mac.
Apple has not achieved perfection on this front, but it's important to
keep in mind that X11 users are not a core part of the company's
target demographic, so bumps like this are inevitable--and this is why
I am so happy that the X and open source communities are being enabled
to take control of these issues and make them far less of a problem in
the future, with help from some strong contributors within Apple itself.
-Jim
On Jan 16, 2008, at 05:18, Jean-Baptiste Marquette wrote:
Le 15 janv. 08 à 18:00, James Elliott a écrit :
Here's an outsider's perspective, but one who has been following
the list with interest since the Leopard release:
Spaces are not yet expected to work with X11. There are higher
priority basic functionality bugs being addressed, as well as an
effort to catch up with the rest of the open-source code base.
Whether it can be fixed quickly or not depends on how those other
efforts go, and more fundamentally, on whether it can be fixed in
the open source components of X11 itself or not: There may be
issues in elements of the Apple-proprietary libXplugin, or in
Spaces itself, which would leave you at the mercy of Apple's own
development and release schedule. (And if that's the case, Ben's
doing great things on the X side, but the Spaces world is outside
of even his control.)
This is not acceptable. In my field and for researchers in general
X11 on a Mac is a key issue. I brought several colleagues to switch
considering only this point. I think that Apple's credibility is
engaged on that topic. The X11 version released with Leopard is a
regression compared to that of Tiger. It is their responsibility to
converge towards a robust version of all their applications working
together.
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Bien cordialement / Very truly yours / Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Jean-Baptiste Marquette
Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris
CNRS - UMR 7095
Université Pierre & Marie Curie
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75014 Paris - France
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