Re: X11 ready for prime time?
Re: X11 ready for prime time?
- Subject: Re: X11 ready for prime time?
- From: Viv Kendon <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:31:55 +0100 (BST)
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
and I'm still seeing the momentary-focus-drop problem whenever iCal or
Time Machine does something in the background. These are annoying
enough that I eagerly look forward to each new drop from Jeremy,
but they don't really interfere with getting my work done. Someone
else might not notice these problems at all (especially if not an FFM
or Spaces user), or might find them completely intolerable.
I'm not really sure what is going on here, and I am honestly not sure how to
debug it... and even still, I'm fairly certain that it's not a bug in X11
itself. =/ If anyone can get an easy-to-reproduce (ie: not "wait for an
iCal alarm to sound") case, please let me know and I'll try to figure out who
is responsible for this bug and get it fixed. In the mean time, I'm at a bit
of a loss =/
Try starting OpenOffice.org (I'm using a fink version from
10.4 so not sure this will work for you but it might). It
seems to do some java-related startup stuff that flips the
focus several times for me. You have to launch from the
command line (in an xterm, say) so background it and keep
doing stuff in that xterm and see what happens to focus...
Matlab is another hybrid java X11 app, so maybe a Matlab
user can see if there is a sequence to trigger it during
launch?
I agree it may not exactly be an X11 bug, but it is
possible to evade it since the Tiger version of X11
has the problem whereas the equivalent Tiger XDarwin doesn't
cede focus except to logout. It seems to be part of how
Mac apps in general "play nicely with each other" by
allowing interuptions if the other app is insistent enough.
Only some of us find it impedes workflow rather than helping
it (like the Spaces auto-lurching). Bouncing in the dock is
fine, but grabbing focus while I'm frantically typing has
unintended consequences (that astonishment factor as the
dialogue window closes and I've no idea what I just typed
in it). Yesterday I repeatedly failed to open a disk image
that was throwing up a dialogue I didn't expect after a five
minute verify. So, you need to figure out how to make X11
"deaf" to all but the most drastic requests for focus (like
logout, or run-out-of-battery, or screensaver-kicks-in-and
requires-password).
-- Viv
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Dr Viv Kendon http://quantum.leeds.ac.uk/~viv
Quantum Information Physics & Astronomy
University of Leeds
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