Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- Subject: Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc
- From: Christopher Bort via X11-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:17:16 -0800
On 1/5/20 at 4:06 AM, email@hidden (René J.V.
Bertin via X11-users) wrote:
Indeed, every time that I read the news about Apple's
continued success in the marketplace (just look at their
awesome stock prices, for instance), I am wondering if it is
worthwhile for the X11 community to (for instance) send a
petition to Apple directly, to continue
[...]
(I realize that I sound very naive here, and I don't want to
sound that way. I've been a committed Apple user since I was
a child in the early 1980's.)
This would make sense if Apple still saw the Mac as an actual Unix
workstation for serious work beyond the classical roles Macs already
had under the old, pre-Darwin Mac OS. I was a committed Apple user too
(though I had a Mac IIx under A/UX for doing my thesis), dropped out
for a while during Jobs's absence, got back onboard with Mac OS X 10.2
. But Apple haven't been making computers I'm willing (or even able)
to buy for years now, and have started taking wrong turns (for me)
since 10.11 . The latest novelties really aim at locking us out of our
own computers IMHO, so yeah, I think it's pretty naive to think that
petitioning Apple for bringing back an official X11 will have any
interest.
Requests to implement missing system calls to make porting Wayland
easier might stand more chance but more so if they're not used only by
Wayland. Let's not forget that the platform no longer has the same
need to run legacy/cross-platform X11 applications, and since good,
free VNC software is now readily available there's no longer a real
need for being able to act as an X11 display server either.
What he said. I too have been a happily dedicated
Apple/Macintosh user since the original 128K Mac days. However,
I've become increasingly disillusioned with Apple over the last
few iterations of Mac OS. They are more and more focused on
making the Mac experienced line up with the iOS experience and
relieving users of the burden of having anything to do with the
actual workings of the OS. There's much more that can be said
about that, but suffice to say for this discussion that it tends
to leave X11|*nix users out in the cold.
For myself, I haven't run xorg-server or Xquartz in OS X for
many years. I have a linux VM in VirtualBox that works quite
nicely for running any X11 apps I need or want. It may be a
'heavyweight' solution, but one of the reasons I did it
originally was to see if I could comfortably do all of my day to
day computing tasks under linux. It turns out that I can and I
actually spend a fair amount of time in the linux VM. I have a
mid-2012 MacBook Pro running High Sierra, which I haven't been
able to upgrade successfully to Mojave, let alone to Catalina.
When it finally gives up the ghost (probably not any time soon),
I will more than likely replace it with a less expensive PC
laptop on which I can run my linux distro of choice.
--
Christopher Bort
<email@hidden>
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